New Fashion Board 10-3-2003 - 11-7-2003 - Page 98

ltl/fb · 10-13-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
But weight loss is the initial and most important goal. Muscle is more dense than fat, but the difference is much smaller than people think (currently looking for actual density ratio). And fat can never be transformed into muscle. And you should do the two together, but not until you've lost a sufficient enough weight. Also, if it comes down to only having time to do one or the other, do the cardio.

Why is weight loss more important? I can maybe see why if someone is, like, over 70 lbs or so overweight because just hauling around that amount of weight is hard on your body. But for someone who has not that much to lose, I would think that getting rid of excess fat would be a reasonable goal.

dc_chef · 10-13-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I could not wear trousers, but I could jog up 12 flights of stairs without getting winded. And men drooled over my rock-hard ass.

BR(sigh, them was the days)C

I knew that I liked you for a reason.

Have any pics from, er, back in the day?

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-13-2003, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Why is weight loss more important? I can maybe see why if someone is, like, over 70 lbs or so overweight because just hauling around that amount of weight is hard on your body. But for someone who has not that much to lose, I would think that getting rid of excess fat would be a reasonable goal.

We were both arguing (I think) on the assumption that the theoretical person was "overweight". It was never defined. I was thinking about someone 20-30 lbs overweight. Of course, then you have to define "ideal weight", and I think those scales are way off.

Shape Shifter · 10-13-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
We were both arguing (I think) on the assumption that the theoretical person was "overweight". It was never defined. I was thinking about someone 20-30 lbs overweight. Of course, then you have to define "ideal weight", and I think those scales are way off.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...reme_obesity_2

(spree: More or less on-topic Yahoo news story to perpetuate this boring discussion. No pictures)

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-13-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
This is how my trainer explained it to me. Women with long muscles will get bulky. Women with short muscles won't. I have short muscles and lift very heavy. I don't get bulky. You can tell if you have long or short muscles by flexing your bicep and seeing how many fingers you can put between the crease in your elbow and your bicep. short muscles - 3-5 fingers. long muscles 1-2 fingers.

I've also noticed that the majority of female non-elite long distance runners get very bulky in the leg area. I have MANY (girl)friends where this has occurred. I try to run behind the semi-elite women, who aren't emaciated like the pros and have great asses and legs to run behind...

(leg man)

(and ass man)

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-13-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
But weight loss is the initial and most important goal. Muscle is more dense than fat, but the difference is much smaller than people think (currently looking for actual density ratio).

This is a silly argument and after this, you win. But, if you're building muscle and losing fat, you're not necessarily doing it at the same ratio, therefore, adding more muscle than fat lost will result in weight gain. But if you look at someone who has just lost weight and someone who has turned their flabby muscles into muscles with some definition and lost a little less fat, the latter always looks better. And I bet you they feel better too.

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
And fat can never be transformed into muscle.

What does that have to do with anything?

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
And you should do the two together, but not until you've lost a sufficient enough weight.

I disagree. I bet if we could both train fattie twins, mine would look better faster than yours.

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Also, if it comes down to only having time to do one or the other, do the cardio.

Agreed.

TM

notcasesensitive · 10-13-2003, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
(spree: More or less on-topic Yahoo news story to perpetuate this boring discussion. No pictures)

And this is helping the boards how?

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-13-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I disagree. I bet if we could both train fattie twins, mine would look better faster than yours.

TM

You're on.

God, how much fun would this be (in a really perverse way - b/c I would be the trainer from hell)?

baltassoc · 10-13-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Muscle is more dense than fat, but the difference is much smaller than people think (currently looking for actual density ratio

Fat mass density = 0.9g/cm2
Muscle mass density = 1.1g/cm2

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-13-2003, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Fat mass density = 0.9g/cm2
Muscle mass density = 1.1g/cm2

That's a bigger difference than I expected.

This just leads me to a much bigger question: how can european women look GREAT without doing shit? All they do is walk. The thought of going to the gym is as crazy as the thought of them putting ketchup on their fries...

notcasesensitive · 10-13-2003, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
You're on.

God, how much fun would this be (in a really perverse way - b/c I would be the trainer from hell)?

My money would be on Thurgreed. He seems like he would be more of a coaxer than a hardass. I think Coltrane's twin would quit on him.

Bad_Rich_Chic · 10-13-2003, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Also, if it comes down to only having time to do one or the other, do the cardio.

Actually, I know I read a few months ago that recent studies show that this is exactly wrong - if you are exercising to lose weight (rather than train for long distance running or some such), you should do weight training first, and it should be your primary form of exercise. (Particularly for women, who get the added benefit of improving bone density.) There was a whole series of NYT articles on how weight-loss thinking is changing in a whole series of disciplines (nutrition, medicine, exercise, endocrinology) and basically everything we've been taught for the last 30+ years appears to be misguided if not entirely backwards. Weight training vs cardio was one of the highlight examples.

I thought I posted links to them here.

Replaced_Texan · 10-13-2003, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Fat mass density = 0.9g/cm2
Muscle mass density = 1.1g/cm2

I love that baltassoc with his Dr. Honeydew avatar posted this.

(Anecdotally, every other day in the weight room for 12 weeks, with pretty much daily cardio and a modified atkins was the best weight loss formula I have ever found.)

Flinty_McFlint · 10-13-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
And men drooled over my rock-hard ass.

BR(sigh, them was the days)C

E/O: Them's fighting words from where I come from. I would be happy to be your second at the "Ass-off" between you two.

My only request is 10% of the pay-per-view net.

Flinty

edited to fix the homonym. NTTAWWT.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand · 10-13-2003, 06:14 PM

Montecore the tiger will be spared destruction and will be released from quarantine tomorrow. He will be returned to the tiger habitat at the Mirage.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ack_magician_3

The story also notes PETA has been protesting the Mirage in an effort to get Siegfried and Roy to give up the show and release the tigers... Imagine the hilarity that would ensue if the keepers just opened up Monty's cage for the protesters and said "o.k., here you go..."