Why won't you just admit that racial prejudice and racist comments are always wrong. You tried to carve out an exception but now you realize that there should be no exceptions. Instead of trying to pretend that you never argued that that under certain circumstances racial prejudices and racist comments are OK, just admit that that assertion was wrong? Why the twisted and long rationalizations.
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I read and understood your pathetic little point about prejudice and how it is a natural inclination. I understand that many cultures are prejudiced against others. What you don't understand because you think that your silly little experiences in Japan are dispositive on every single issue that has or can arise in life is that you are wrong.
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Prejudice is a natural inclination is a pathetic little point? I have lived in seven countries. My silly little experiences in Japan lasted three years. I may not have learned everything but at least it got me to realize that the US can look to other countries when it comes to learning more about things it is experiencing in its own culture.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall As I said before, racial prejudice may be common among people in general, but the application of racial prejudice in the way it has been applied in this country is (i) different than it has been applied in any other (see my note on the peculiar institution) and
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As opposed to Brazil? The entire Caribbean. The Portuguese started enslaving Africans long before we did and continued to do so after we stopped. How was it applied differently in Brazil? Are you saying they did not have the "peculiar institution" in Brazil. That it didn't exist in Arabia? That it still doesn't exist in Arabia? Can we not look to other countries to see how they have addressed racial prejudice and what has worked and what hasn't? Africans have economically ( and in many other ways) fared much better in the United States than they have in Brazil. The U.S. and Brazil had very different experiences. You don't think it would be smart to look at what has worked and what hasn't in these two different countries and then continuing with what works and dropping what doesn't?
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(ii) it is absolutely vital to understand the actual application of racial prejudice in this country in order to understand where it is now and how and why people are affected by it.
Even you can understand that, even if one accepted your argument that racial prejudice is the natural state of all people, that different cultures treat it differently and apply it differently. And in order to understand these differences and how they affect people, you need to study how each culture deals with it. Hell, I wonder how you did in your history classes generally. "Professor, war is the natural state of all people. Every country has fought with another at some point. So, what do we have to learn about the Civil War or World Wars I and II? This is pointless."
Pull your head out of your ass, spankyboy.
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So if you want to understand poverty in this country it doesn't help to understand the causes of poverty in other countries because our poverty is so completely different? Different countries have tried different ways to address racial prejudice and its effects - with very different levels of success. Can't we learn from these other countries when trying to figure out how to address the problem in our country?
Why should we repeat the mistakes other countries have made and why shouldn’t we copy their successes? Brazil has tried also sorts of policies to deal with racial and economic discrepancies in their country, so has India, Sri Lanka, Peru etc. etc. But I bet you can't name one policy that has been implemented in any other country and how it has fared. Yet you are going to lecture me on the subject, or tell me that if you understand that there has been four hundred years of abuse you know everything you need to know?
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall No, you colossal moron. That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the people who have all the power in this country use racial prejudice among other things to keep that power. When light-skinned African Americans start running shit, I'll worry about it then. Until that point, I would rather focus on what actually has an oppressive effect.
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I am the colossal moron, and yet you deny that prejudice within the African American community does not have an oppressive effect. Tell that to the African American who didn't get into an all black college because they look "too African". Tell that to the Vietnamese kid who didn't get into Berkeley because the quota for Asians had been filled. Racial prejudice causes problem all over this country. Not just to African Americans, and it is not only employed by Caucasians. I know that is hard to accept, but believe it or not it is true.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall You, on the other hand would rather say, "Everyone is prejudiced so and you can't do anything about it
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When did I ever say that? Now you are just lying. I didn't say that nor ever even implied that. I am sorry if you realize you are losing the argument, but using the straw man argument is just too pathetic, even for you.
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and the only reason why people are prejudiced today is because everyone is always prejudiced, no matter where they are." You've removed thought from this discussion because you want to take it to Spankyland where nothing makes sense to anyone but you.
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I never said everyone is prejudice, but I did say that humans have a natural inclination towards prejudice and prejudice exists in every culture in the world. You know that is what I said and what I meant. Do you deny that?
Are you really that insecure and pathetic that you need to make up stuff, claim I said it and then denigrate it?
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall You are jumping way beyond our argument here.
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No we aren't. You defended the right of African Americans to make comments just like the one Michael Richards made. And you were wrong. Just admit it.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall We went from you getting all pissy about black people being able to make fun of white people because they are not in a position of power
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I disagreed with you when you said that African Americans can make racial comments about whites that whites can't make about blacks. That is where I disagreed with you and where you are wrong.
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I'm pretty sure I'm not going to continue this argument with you after this post because you don't have the capacity to have it.
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You just realized that by trying to carve out an exception for racial prejudice and racist comments, you were misguided.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall I am not advocating for racial prejudice of any kind you knucklehead. I'm explaining why when someone without power makes fun of someone with all the power, it is not as harmful as the other way around. I have no doubt you will fail to understand this concept.
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Oh give me a break. You are totally backpedaling. Don't try and claim that this is about power and not about race. Michael Richards did not get into trouble because he was trashing poor white people. He got into trouble he was making fun of "black" people. Rich or poor, powerful or not powerful. This is not a power issue. It is totally OK for people in power to make fun of people who are out of power, and visa versa. It is when you get into race that you get into trouble. You are saying it is OK for black people to make racial comments. Don't try and deny it. The excuse you are using to defend racism is saying Black people are not in power, and White people are, so it is OK for Black people to make prejudicial and racist comments about whites because they are not in power. However you try and cloak it you trying to defend racism and racist comments.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall Okay, you are officially an asshole.
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You can call me whatever you want, but at least I am not a bigot and defend racial prejudice.
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You are beyond stupid. And this is why you need to go back to school and pay attention in history this time. Actually, remedial measures have been implemented again and again by this country. I will not act as your personal tutor for this, though. I only take on students who I feel can make some progress. I don't think you've ever said something sophisticated in your life... I don't think you understand what I'm saying, but don't worry. It's only because you're stupid.
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As opposed to saying the "peculiar institution" is unique to the United States? Now there was an insightful and educated comment.
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The point was, if only the United States had been tribal. That would have been not so bad. Instead, they enslaved a race of people and then they relegated that same class of people to second class citizens who don't have the same rights as the first class. The impact is still felt today.
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That is what tribal is. Tribalism is what allowed the Mongols to enslave non Mongols, Arabs to enslave Black Africans, Egyptians to enslave the Israelites, the Portuguese to enslave Africans. Tribalism, is my people are better and superior than your people.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall You can't pull one part of the argument from the other and act like the second piece doesn't flow from the first. If you don't understand what I'm saying, just say so.
I don't think you're even posting English anymore. None of that shit follows from anything I've said -- unless we're in Spankyland. Are we in Spankyland?
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It’s just not that complicated. You in your ignorance, defended one form of racial prejudice, and you just don't see that by defending one sort you are defending all racial prejudice. It is not that complicated, but clearly it is way over your simple little brain.
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall No. It's true. You didn't say that. You overlooked them all, though. And you're only focused on the one that you think is unfair to you. And you're making it seem like because people who have been shit on for centuries turn it around and poke fun at those people doing the shitting, that that is somehow a justification for all prejudice.
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I didn't overlook them all. You were the one who is and has justified racial prejudice. I am saying it is never OK and you are saying there are exceptions. If you will just admit that racial prejudice is always wrong, we have nothing to argue about. I will say that racial prejudice and racist comments are always wrong, whatever the circumstance - will you?
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