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[SlaveNoMore]

ironweed
It'll be gone by the weekend if you don't like orange.

I knew you were Orange, you traitorous Bushmills-swillin' bastard.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Boy, I'm glad I don't live in the Midwest.

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
At least for me, it isn't the lack of "art" or talent. And hey I even like Dada as much as the next guy (and shit, look at my face for christosakes). But I don't recall Warhol and the like ever having such a grandiose view of their art ofrthemselves as world changing. Pink flamingos wrapped around a Florida bay or whatever Not Bobbie said is pretty and all, but change the world? Piece of history? I don't think so. It's gimmicky, pretty, apparently raises money for a good cause, and I'm sure it takes talent to coordinate the enclosing of land in fabric (just like herding cats would take talent and coordination) but that's about it.

In alot of ways Warhol was closest to the "masters" of any recent artist. The oldtimers were paid shills- they didn't think past the paycheck. And as to hiring out the actual painting, michaelangelo did that- he roughly had a concept. maybe sketched it- did some finish- but the bulk of the brushstrokes came from people he hired.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
In keeping with my so-far theme, maybe if it really makes them mad, it's an admission that it really IS art.

As far as I'm concerned, the more public debate that the work draws, the more consternation that it causes, the more likely it is to be art. Almost all installation art gets criticized a not really being art.

The reaction I've heard mirrors the reaction to last year's David Blaine stunt in the UK, which I thought was performance art.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I knew you were Orange, you traitorous Bushmills-swillin' bastard.

Great. We lose 2-0 to the huns at Celtic Park for the first time in five years on Sunday morning and here's you callin' me a D.O.B.

Tiocfaidh ar la!

Ironweed

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
At least for me, it isn't the lack of "art" or talent. And hey I even like Dada as much as the next guy (and shit, look at my face for christosakes). But I don't recall Warhol and the like ever having such a grandiose view of their art ofrthemselves as world changing.

Then you have very poor recall.

When I was a college boy and even snobbier than I am now, I tripped to the National Gallery of Art and picked out a bench in the basement of East Wing across from the Rothkos. I guess I was looking to find something in non-representational art, because whatever it was, I didn't "get" it. I wanted to, desperately, because it seemed like all the people I admired did, or claimed to.

After about twenty minutes, an obese married couple (tourists, as we all were) strolled by. They were wearing archetypical D.C. tourist gear (shorts with white socks) clomping around like they own the place cuz, you know, they do. The guy stopped in front of one of the abstract canvases --- a Rothko floating rectangle piece. He snorted derisively, and said what they all say: "I coulda painted that." His wife laid a hand on his shoulder, and cooed, "Yes, dear, but you didn't."

It was then that I appreciated for the first time the genius of Mark Rothko.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
As far as I'm concerned, the more public debate that the work draws, the more consternation that it causes, the more likely it is to be art.

My only problem with that theory is that it always defaults to "huge" being "art". Covering the Statue of Liberty with bat guano would very likely provoke lots of discussion.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
When I was a college boy and even snobbier than I am now, I tripped to the National Gallery of Art and picked out a bench in the basement of East Wing across from the Rothkos. I guess I was looking to find something in non-representational art, because whatever it was, I didn't "get" it. I wanted to, desperately, because it seemed like all the people I admired did, or claimed to.

After about twenty minutes, an obese married couple (tourists, as we all were) strolled by. They were wearing archetypical D.C. tourist gear (shorts with white socks) clomping around like they own the place cuz, you know, they do. The guy stopped in front of one of the abstract canvases --- a Rothko floating rectangle piece. He snorted derisively, and said what they all say: "I coulda painted that." His wife laid a hand on his shoulder, and cooed, "Yes, dear, but you didn't."

It was then that I appreciated for the first time the genius of Mark Rothko.

Not sure of the point of the story. Is it the stereotype that only a fat suburban middle class guy like that husband would react to modern art that way? Cause I'm into wild stuff, cubism, surreal, etc., but nevertheless, place me in front of a Mondrian and I'm gonna feel the same thing as that fat guy. If I'm still awake long enough to think.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Not sure of the point of the story. Is it the stereotype that only a fat suburban middle class guy like that husband would react to modern art that way? Cause I'm into wild stuff, cubism, surreal, etc., but nevertheless, place me in front of a Mondrian and I'm gonna feel the same thing as that fat guy. If I'm still awake long enough to think.

The point of the fucking story was that the fat suburban middle class wife got it. Now you have something to aspire to.

[Atticus Grinch]

New pill prolongs drunkenness and makes you a cheaper date.

Its Russian makers say they're not sure they will release it in the U.S., because they don't want it to become a party drug. Yes, you read that correctly. Apparently, getting blasted in Russia is not considered a party-related activity.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The point of the fucking story was that the fat suburban middle class wife got it. Now you have something to aspire to.

My brother in law is somewhat sub-normal (car accident -no seat belts). Anyway, years ago we were at the Philadelphia art museum. There is this piece in a hallway just outside a gallery that looks like someone grabbed a loose piece of a drywall wall and pulled it down. There is this torn strip on the wall and a pile of dust on the floor.

I was in a pretensious phase at the time and thought it quite something. BIL pointed to it and said "Look they're trying to trick us!"

Years later I realize he was the one who had it right.
there is a type of art that could be best called "Look at what someone did- never thought of doing that!" Christo is that.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The point of the fucking story was that the fat suburban middle class wife got it. Now you have something to aspire to.

See, now, I kinda read the moral of your staory as being, had I covered the Statue of Liberty with bat guano instead of just talking about it, it would be art.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
See, now, I kinda read the moral of your staory as being, had I covered the Statue of Liberty with bat guano instead of just talking about it, it would be art.

If only Ashcroft had called "ART" when he wrapped the one statue, the administration might have an easier time of it.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The point of the fucking story was that the fat suburban middle class wife got it. Now you have something to aspire to.

Right. And that's a charming story. The point of MY fucking story is that its perfectly fine NOT to get it. If you are comfortable that your mind is open and you have a knowledge and appreciation for art, it is okay to "get" Gaugin but not Miro or vice versa, and even to vividly debate (as even artists) whether so and so sucks or did anything novel or new to contribute to art. Someone who pretends to "get" all art and is chicken to remark about something they find stoopid may be insecure or scared to speak up. Hence my beginning this thread with the Emperor Has No Clothes analogy.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

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