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[pony_trekker]

And yes, at the next dip I am buying AAPL

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Yup. I swear we just discussed this two pages ago.

It was actually on the general gadgets board because I forgot there was a computer board.

[pony_trekker]

Got the power book plus an airport base station. Connected all in about a minute. Configuring Windows PC was a pain but seems to all be working. Couldn't configure mac first because PC was first net connection.,

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Got the power book plus an airport base station. Connected all in about a minute. Configuring Windows PC was a pain but seems to all be working. Couldn't configure mac first because PC was first net connection.,

Congratulations. You'll love it. We have a 15" AlBook and couldn't be happier.

Did you get the newly announced powerbook with the new gadgets (scrolling pad, illuminated keyboard on all models, etc.) or get a discount on the previous gen?

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Congratulations. You'll love it. We have a 15" AlBook and couldn't be happier.

Did you get the newly announced powerbook with the new gadgets (scrolling pad, illuminated keyboard on all models, etc.) or get a discount on the previous gen?

I got the 12 inch with superdrive, 1.5 processor, more ram, HD space, scrolling pad but not lit keyboard.

But I am more impressed with the ease with which the airport extreme set up.

It is so fucking cool to be able to sit on the bowl and surf the net.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
It is so fucking cool to be able to sit on the bowl and surf the net.

Preach it, my brother.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
A friend of mine subscribes to this or a similar service, and another friend and I played DJ on Friday night. All we had to do was think of a song, and more likely than not it'd be in the library. It was a little overwhelming to have such a massive library at our disposal, but we had a blast making the playlist.

I was in a bar in SE DC last night (8th St. SE for anyone who cares) and noticed an "internet jukebox" which, AFAIK, basically uses this type of service. I didn't look closely, but its sorta cool that you now have 1000000 songs to choose from instead of 1000. Its sorta cool for the bar owners if they are paying only $9.00 per month for the vastly expanded service, though I have my doubts as to whether this is what they are paying. I think Apple is gonna get hurt if they don't start offering the on-demand setup.

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[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Its sorta cool for the bar owners if they are paying only $9.00 per month for the vastly expanded service, though I have my doubts as to whether this is what they are paying. I think Apple is gonna get hurt if they don't start offering the on-demand setup.

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Do they serve quite teh same market? Online access to 1M songs is great, if you're at home, with your broadband going. Not so useful while on the subway or at the gym, though. You have to go home and reload the songs you want. Sure, you can do it, but you hvae to go pick out all the ones you want somewhere along the road, and add them to your player. And don't forget you hvae to keep paying monthly. Not saying teh subscription model won't work; I'm just not sure its appeal is to exactly the same group of people.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Do they serve quite teh same market? Online access to 1M songs is great, if you're at home, with your broadband going. Not so useful while on the subway or at the gym, though. You have to go home and reload the songs you want. Sure, you can do it, but you hvae to go pick out all the ones you want somewhere along the road, and add them to your player. And don't forget you hvae to keep paying monthly. Not saying teh subscription model won't work; I'm just not sure its appeal is to exactly the same group of people.

I think that it doesn't, and I don't think that the subscription model is necessarily that great for most people. I assume that the players with which the subscribed songs are compatible must respect the expiration dates, such that you can't play songs on February 1 if you didn't renew for February and sync your player to the service prior to February 1 to tell it that.

The vast majority of the songs in my iPod are from CDs I already owned, although I now am starting to buy new music exclusively through iTunes, especially since the $9.99 "cds" of many new artists are cheaper than physical cds in stores. I think that it would suck to pay $15/month forever to have access to all the songs I have downloaded. Yyou have nothing once you end the service.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by mmm3587


The vast majority of the songs in my iPod are from CDs I already owned, although I now am starting to buy new music exclusively through iTunes, especially since the $9.99 "cds" of many new artists are cheaper than physical cds in stores. I think that it would suck to pay $15/month forever to have access to all the songs I have downloaded. Yyou have nothing once you end the service.

I suppose it depends on how fickle your tastes are. If you stop listening to the music you've bought, a subscription service might be good. Personally, I still like music I bought 5, 10, 15 years ago (not all of it but a fair amount of it). I wouldn't want to pay $200/year to keep it. As for a club or bar, yeah, that's great, because you can keep only the most up-to-date stuff (but I'm guessing that a bar can't legally pay just $15 to play Napster publicly).

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Do they serve quite teh same market? Online access to 1M songs is great, if you're at home, with your broadband going. Not so useful while on the subway or at the gym, though. You have to go home and reload the songs you want. Sure, you can do it, but you hvae to go pick out all the ones you want somewhere along the road, and add them to your player. And don't forget you hvae to keep paying monthly. Not saying teh subscription model won't work; I'm just not sure its appeal is to exactly the same group of people.

No two markets are are identical because even if the products and prices were, the demand cannot be. Still, I think you are picking up on where Apple gets hurt. Not on the commuting end, and not on the exercise end (the Shuffle is freakin genius for runners). But certainly on the I'm sitting at home with my family end, and certainly on the bar end.

Come to think of it, it probably combines with the Shuffle to detract from some more-expensive Ipod sales. Basically, have the 1 million song (and growing!) library at home for $96.00 per year.

I honestly hope nobody is arguing that $96.00/year for the million song library that a subscriber can only access at (I think) 7 locations (home, home, home, work, ?, ?, ?, ?) is worse than the, what, $320, plus the cost of a decent speaker or headphones, for a 120 song library per person in your household? What's that, more than a grand for a 4-person family? 10 years worth of Musicmatch on-demand. I'm just sayin.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by mmm3587

The vast majority of the songs in my iPod are from CDs I already owned, although I now am starting to buy new music exclusively through iTunes, especially since the $9.99 "cds" of many new artists are cheaper than physical cds in stores. I think that it would suck to pay $15/month forever to have access to all the songs I have downloaded. Yyou have nothing once you end the service.

The 99 cents model for download (copy) is supposedly a pass-on, where the supplier isn't really making a profit. Musicmatch has the download/buy option available at the same price (.99 per song) for the players that use other format.

Come to think of it, musicmatch thus has the retail-purchase and the on-demand service available through a single screen (once you install it). I don't see how it would hurt Apple to offer the on-demand service too. If the content-providers are giving it to one service (Yahoo - musicmatch), they should be willing to give it to the other (Apple) at more-or-less the same price. And if Apple ain't grabbing a profit off of the actual sale of music (which I believe is more-or-less true), than they won't be losing any profit by offering it on-demand instead of by-purchase-only.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me

I honestly hope nobody is arguing that $96.00/year for the million song library that a subscriber can only access at (I think) 7 locations (home, home, home, work, ?, ?, ?, ?) is worse than the, what, $320, plus the cost of a decent speaker or headphones, for a 120 song library per person in your household? What's that, more than a grand for a 4-person family? 10 years worth of Musicmatch on-demand. I'm just sayin.

Not better. Different. But you're ignoring the hardware costs for napster. I'll spot you the computer, but you still need the speakers and/or the MP3 player with either service.

The basic question still comes down to a monthly subscription to access whatever music you want, as long as you pay the fee (note--fee does not include burning discs), versus buying music that's yours to keep forever once you've paid for it. Each has its merits and different uses. Since I listen to music much more in teh car and out of the house, the value is greatly reduced. When I have teenagers, I may change my view.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Not better. Different. But you're ignoring the hardware costs for napster. I'll spot you the computer, but you still need the speakers and/or the MP3 player with either service.

The basic question still comes down to a monthly subscription to access whatever music you want, as long as you pay the fee (note--fee does not include burning discs), versus buying music that's yours to keep forever once you've paid for it. Each has its merits and different uses. Since I listen to music much more in teh car and out of the house, the value is greatly reduced. When I have teenagers, I may change my view.

And I'm not saying it will destroy Apple. Just hurt.

I'll still take the IPod (hell, I bought em for the niece and step-niece too) for at least two scenarios (trips, working-out, mobile generally). And any music I download, I'm still downloading from Itunes for my IPod (no point in downloading it to my Dell when I can just access the 1000000 on-demand from it). Incrementally, its a nice service to have to browse music.

For example, RT says Ambulance LTD is playing at some fest in Texas. Bob Mould listed em as one of his great discoveries of last year. I don't think I've ever heard em. So I access everything I can from them on-demand at musicmatch and listen to it. If I like it, I buy it. If I don't, I don't. Sure would be nice if I could have just given that money to Apple for that service.

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[pony_trekker]

Ok, Cable modem is plugged into airport via ethernet, PC plugged into airport via internet, printer is plugged into airport via usb. Powerbook connects via internal airport card. Powerbook can't see PC files but PC can see powerbook files and copy files there. Powerbook prints to USB printer but PC cannot.

Any clues? Do I absolutely need a print server?