Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
Well, it should. That was me. Bilmore. I used to post here.

Bilmore? I miss him. [sniff]

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
No, that's just the sign of a well-done lie. Moore uses specific factual lies all throughout his movie, some little, some big, all making Bush look bad. In order to show that his assertions are lies, explanation is needed, and, to a certain extent, people won't listen to explanation if it seems too technical or detailed - they immediately think "excuse". That's part of Moore's effectiveness - he knows that his simplistic portrayal of 30 facts in a scene, 23 of which are lies, makes it hard to keep an audience interested enough to hear the explanation of the truth.

So are Bush and Moore long lost brothers? What I'd like to know is who took a page from who's handbook?

[bilmore]

Edward's new comment:

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'... "

(Would it be in poor taste to follow with a "and pigs will fly" comment?)

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
Edward's new comment:

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'... "

(Would it be in poor taste to follow with a "and pigs will fly" comment?)

Were there any laying of hands involved?

Sounds like Edwards is trying to make inroads with the evangelical vote.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
No, that's just the sign of a well-done lie. Moore uses specific factual lies all throughout his movie, some little, some big, all making Bush look bad. In order to show that his assertions are lies, explanation is needed, and, to a certain extent, people won't listen to explanation if it seems too technical or detailed - they immediately think "excuse". That's part of Moore's effectiveness - he knows that his simplistic portrayal of 30 facts in a scene, 23 of which are lies, makes it hard to keep an audience interested enough to hear the explanation of the truth.

If given time, I can deconstruct any collection of facts, thesis, theory, tome, argument, etc... There is no "correct" anymore. The facts in the website you pointed me to can all be debunked elsewhere. You can no more catch Moore in a lie than I can catch Bush in a lie.

I will stipulate to this. I will go on record saying that Moore is a liar if you'll agree with me that Bush is just as much a liar. The website you showed me cannot be all wrong, so Moore is a liar. 7000 different worldwide media outlets cannot all be wrong, so Bush is also a liar.

If you float the theory that Bush is not a liar, but Moore is, you're a "true believer" and there's no point in even debating with you.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Edward's new comment:

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'... "

(Would it be in poor taste to follow with a "and pigs will fly" comment?)

Little Pink Elephants for you and me.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
That's part of Moore's effectiveness - he knows that his simplistic portrayal of 30 facts in a scene, 23 of which are lies, makes it hard to keep an audience interested enough to hear the explanation of the truth.

Whereas Bush is unencumbered by facts and simply lies from his heart.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
Edward's new comment:

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'... "

(Would it be in poor taste to follow with a "and pigs will fly" comment?)

Vote for us and we'll raise the dead? Unless they're productive members of society, no thanks. They need to study this more.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Vote for us and we'll raise the dead? Unless they're productive members of society, no thanks. They need to study this more.

Maybe they're just referring to all of the dogs that'll be endangered by their election.

That said, I think I like this new "Lazarus ticket" pivot into the home stretch. Look out, Rove, we're comin' to a dirt-road Southern Baptist church near you!

[SlaveNoMore]

bilmore
Edward's new comment:

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk. Get up out of that wheelchair and walk again'... "

(Would it be in poor taste to follow with a "and pigs will fly" comment?)

Why is it that every time I hear Reeve's name, I think of the Chris Rock stand-up sketch on "Super-man can't fuckin' walk..."

[SlaveNoMore]

We're still waiting for a similar list of 5 potential Nobel candidates from our friends on the Left.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Maybe they're just referring to all of the dogs that'll be endangered by their election.

That said, I think I like this new "Lazarus ticket" pivot into the home stretch. Look out, Rove, we're comin' to a dirt-road Southern Baptist church near you!

It's really nothing new. In some Missouri counties, the dead have always been a substantial voting bloc.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
It's really nothing new. In some Missouri counties, the dead have always been a substantial voting bloc.

I thought that dead voters were the domain of The City That Shall Remain Nameless Because I Really Don't Want to Take the Conversation There.

I'll grant you, though, that Missouri leads the nation in dead candidates.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me

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Originally posted by bilmore
to a certain extent, people won't listen to explanation if it seems too technical or detailed.
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Which makes me wonder how many people have me on ignore.

I must admit that it's tempting. The highly technical and detailed analysis recounting your wedding exploits and your dazzling description of bar graphs is too much to digest in post-sized bites. Perhaps you should serve all this meat up in different courses, a little style to go with all that substance. Presentation matters.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
We're still waiting for a similar list of 5 potential Nobel candidates from our friends on the Left.

I'm waiting for Atticus to do it, as I didn't really get the point of that exercise to begin with.

(Though, on reflection, I'm sure SAM is encouraged that you consider him one of your own.)