Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
No, as I've explained numerous times here to you, the reason that we don't win the war on Drugs is because we didn't declare war on you. Which is okay with you (Duh!). Do you cry for the kids in the poor neighborhoods racking up felonies? Noooo, just as long as nobody's coming after you with those charges, its all fun and games. Mmm, hmm. Like you have a clue about the war on drugs.

Actually, I do. Ever seen someone sentenced to 30 years? You know one side.

I favor legalization, assjack - no crime, no felony, either for me or for the kid in the inner cities.

[Replaced_Texan]

According to Kuffman, the Republican headquarters in Ft. Bend county have only given out 600 yard signs. The Richard Morrison campaign has given out 6000. Apparently there are quite a few Bush/Cheney signs next to the DeLay signs.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Actually, I do. Ever seen someone sentenced to 30 years? You know one side.

I favor legalization, assjack - no crime, no felony, either for me or for the kid in the inner cities.

Yeah, but I'm not talking about your dealer or your clients. I'm talking about you. There is no way it would be a big fucking joke if the war was declared on you (as a user) along with the dealers. I'll bet you lose a lot of sleep over the injustice of it all.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me
and where did they get that idea from?

From the written Sharia law, in the explicit descriptions and penalties for hudud violations.

Why do I think this is a whiff?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
and where did they get that idea from?

hello recommended shooting, but maybe they didn't have any bullets?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Yeah, but I'm not talking about your dealer or your clients. I'm talking about you. There is no way it would be a big fucking joke if the war was declared on you (as a user) along with the dealers. I'll bet you lose a lot of sleep over the injustice of it all.

I did lose sleep over it. Its a horrible experience. It might as well be witnessing an execution. And I think the drug war is horrific in what it does to all sorts of people. Both dealers and users should be spared by legalizing it. But if you think I'm going to advocate putting my own neck in the noose with the dealers, you're nuts. Only an imbecile like you would think one has to put himself in peril to remedy an injustice. Your brand of moralizing is terrifically amusing - its like you never got out of 10th grade. So simple, so utterly void of alternative concepts. You remind me of my buddy's Siberian Husky - it runs straight in whatever direction its pointed. He thinks its genetic. I think the dog's just retarded.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
PS What is with that 1945 budget outlay? I'm willing to exempt the entire Roosevelt era as a comparitive marker in an effort not to completely misrepresent a fair comparison. But the % of the GDP that was budgeted federally? Holy Jesus is that ever not exactly a good marker for the Great Society.

I'd expect that the numbers for FY1942 through FY1946 were somewhat distorted by the SECOND WORLD WAR. Winning the war did take up quite a bit of our GNP in federal spending. I trust you agree that was worthwhile?

(Boy, the Democrats can't win for losing with you people!)

S_A_M

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
From the written Sharia law, in the explicit descriptions and penalties for hudud violations.

Why do I think this is a whiff?

Because of Setting #2.

[SlaveNoMore]

Article from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738368.stm

The highlighted line is the kicker.
________

Babies found in Iraqi mass grave

A US investigator said bodies were bulldozed into the graves
A mass grave being excavated in a north Iraqi village has yielded evidence that Iraqi forces executed women and children under Saddam Hussein. US-led investigators have located nine trenches in Hatra containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds killed during the repression of the 1980s.

The skeletons of unborn babies and toddlers clutching toys are being unearthed, the investigators said.

They are seeking evidence to try Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.

Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick

It is believed to be the first time investigators working for the Iraqi Special Tribunal (IST) have conducted a full scientific exhumation of a mass grave.

"It is my personal opinion that this is a killing field," Greg Kehoe, an American working with the IST, told reporters in Hatra, south of the city of Mosul.

"Someone used this field on significant occasions over time to take bodies up there, and to take people up there and execute them."

The victims are believed to be Kurds killed in 1987-88, their bodies bulldozed into the graves after being summarily shot dead.

One trench contains only women and children while another contains only men.

The body of one woman was found still clutching a baby. The infant had been shot in the back of the head and the woman in the face.

"The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks," said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.

"Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick."

Mr Kehoe investigated mass graves in the Balkans for five years but those burials mainly involved men of fighting age and the Iraqi finds were quite different, he said.

"I've been doing grave sites for a long time, but I've never seen anything like this, women and children executed for no apparent reason," he said.

Mr Kehoe said that work to uncover graves around Iraq, where about 300,000 people are thought to have been killed during Saddam Hussein's regime, was slow as experienced European investigators were not taking part. The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

"We're trying to meet international standards that have been accepted by courts throughout the world," he added.

"We're putting a package together on each body removed - pictures of bones, clothes, a forensic report."

Iraq's human rights ministry has reportedly identified 40 possible mass graves across the country.

The dig at Hatra, where a makeshift morgue has been erected, is due to be completed on Wednesday

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I did lose sleep over it. Its a horrible experience. It might as well be witnessing an execution. And I think the drug war is horrific in what it does to all sorts of people. Both dealers and users should be spared by legalizing it. But if you think I'm going to advocate putting my own neck in the noose with the dealers, you're nuts. Only an imbecile like you would think one has to put himself in peril to remedy an injustice. Your brand of moralizing is terrifically amusing - its like you never got out of 10th grade. So simple, so utterly void of alternative concepts. You remind me of my buddy's Siberian Husky - it runs straight in whatever direction its pointed. He thinks its genetic. I think the dog's just retarded.

And only an asshole would make a joke about something that sends 300K kids a year in with felonies but exempts him for contrived reasons. But you don't want to talk about race and class, right? No wonder, asshole.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I'd expect that the numbers for FY1942 through FY1946 were somewhat distorted by the SECOND WORLD WAR. Winning the war did take up quite a bit of our GNP in federal spending. I trust you agree that was worthwhile?

(Boy, the Democrats can't win for losing with you people!)

S_A_M

She said that, but that's exactly my point too. You can't look at general 1945 expenditures as a reasonable comparison for Great Society spending.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Michael Moore bit.

[AP] - And in a related story, in an amazing turn of events, the UN today, following an emergency session, validated the US attack on Iraq. "Well, they found dead babies in Iraq. And that's never, never happened anywhere else in the past. In none of the dictatorships anywhere in history that the US did not attack, was there ever proof or even a suggestion that there might be babies being killed. Indeed, once that line was crossed, the US had no choice. We apologize for standing in the way," said a teary eyed Kofi Annan.

"Now watch this drive..."

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
And only an asshole would make a joke about something that sends 300K kids a year in with felonies but exempts him for contrived reasons. But you don't want to talk about race and class, right? No wonder, asshole.

I didn't make the joke about the drug war, I made it about you.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
We'd be a lot better off in this country if people stopped speaking with their "hearts" and started speaking with brains.

I'm ok with someone saying, "This is what I feel from my heart, but I don't propose to know how such and such can or should work to effect it; it's just something I feel." It's when they start to "prove" their theories with tortured analysis that it just makes you crazy. (i.e., - don't feed the trolls).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Article from the BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3738368.stm

The highlighted line is the kicker.
________

Babies found in Iraqi mass grave

A US investigator said bodies were bulldozed into the graves
A mass grave being excavated in a north Iraqi village has yielded evidence that Iraqi forces executed women and children under Saddam Hussein. US-led investigators have located nine trenches in Hatra containing hundreds of bodies believed to be Kurds killed during the repression of the 1980s.

The skeletons of unborn babies and toddlers clutching toys are being unearthed, the investigators said.

They are seeking evidence to try Saddam Hussein for crimes against humanity.

Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick

It is believed to be the first time investigators working for the Iraqi Special Tribunal (IST) have conducted a full scientific exhumation of a mass grave.

"It is my personal opinion that this is a killing field," Greg Kehoe, an American working with the IST, told reporters in Hatra, south of the city of Mosul.

"Someone used this field on significant occasions over time to take bodies up there, and to take people up there and execute them."

The victims are believed to be Kurds killed in 1987-88, their bodies bulldozed into the graves after being summarily shot dead.

One trench contains only women and children while another contains only men.

The body of one woman was found still clutching a baby. The infant had been shot in the back of the head and the woman in the face.

"The youngest foetus we have was 18 to 20 foetal weeks," said US investigating anthropologist P Willey.

"Tiny bones, femurs - thighbones the size of a matchstick."

Mr Kehoe investigated mass graves in the Balkans for five years but those burials mainly involved men of fighting age and the Iraqi finds were quite different, he said.

"I've been doing grave sites for a long time, but I've never seen anything like this, women and children executed for no apparent reason," he said.

Mr Kehoe said that work to uncover graves around Iraq, where about 300,000 people are thought to have been killed during Saddam Hussein's regime, was slow as experienced European investigators were not taking part. The Europeans, he said, were staying away as the evidence might be used eventually to put Saddam Hussein to death.

"We're trying to meet international standards that have been accepted by courts throughout the world," he added.

"We're putting a package together on each body removed - pictures of bones, clothes, a forensic report."

Iraq's human rights ministry has reportedly identified 40 possible mass graves across the country.

The dig at Hatra, where a makeshift morgue has been erected, is due to be completed on Wednesday

When you read this, do you feel at all bad about the fact that the U.S. was supporting Iraq when this happened?