Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Santorum
I hope I'm being alarmist, but I doubt it.

You don't know what you are talking about. Defining marriage as between one man and one woman isn't anti-gay. It is anti-polygamy.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Not Me
The riots will be in San Francisco. I expect calls to secede from the union.

I do think that the people of Kaleeforneeia get screwed by the electoral college and by the 2 senators per state thing.

Secession of the coasts is a serious topic in my office. How to do it? I volunteer to draw up a plan.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
State Ranking of Per Capita Spending, Per-Capita Tax Return on the Federal Tax Dollar: Fiscal 2002

1 New Mexico 2.34
2 North Dakota 2.04
3 Alaska 1.91
4 Mississippi 1.88
5 West Virginia 1.81
6 Montana 1.65
7 Alabama 1.64
8 South Dakota 1.58
9 Hawaii 1.56
10 Arkansas 1.55

11 Oklahoma 1.52
12 Virginia 1.51
13 Kentucky 1.50
14 Louisiana 1.49
15 South Carolina 1.34
16 Maine 1.34
17 Missouri 1.33
18 Idaho 1.31
19 Maryland 1.30
20 Tennessee 1.28

21 Iowa 1.22
22 Arizona 1.21
23 Nebraska 1.18
24 Utah 1.15
25 Kansas 1.13
26 Vermont 1.13
27 Pennsylvania 1.10
28 Rhode Island 1.10
29 North Carolina 1.08
30 Wyoming 1.05

31 Ohio 1.04
32 Georgia 1.04
33 Indiana 1.01
34 Florida 1.00
35 Oregon 0.98
36 Texas 0.96
37 Michigan 0.90
38 Washington 0.89
39 Wisconsin 0.89
40 New York 0.87

41 Delaware 0.86
42 Colorado 0.80
43 California 0.79
44 Massachusetts 0.78
45 Illinois 0.78
46 Minnesota 0.78
47 Nevada 0.76
48 Connecticut 0.69
49 New Hampshire 0.69
50 New Jersey 0.66

I think it would be more informative to color code the states based on whether a majority of their senators and congresspeople were dems or reps. It is, afterall, Congress that has the taxing and spending power.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I know you like to argue things for the sake of arguing them and I know you take things way past anyone's rational conclusions, but you're not really taking this position, are you?

"Osama said..." Really? Jesus.

More knowledgable? No. In more danger than anyone in any red state? Absolutely. For you to even suggest otherwise makes you look like a complete fool.

TM

Anyone who has read this board for any period of time reads the premise of your first sentence as an admission that you do not.

But I'm not the fool.

Yes "Osama said," not to influence, but to scare. There are big cities in red states. There are power plants. There are football stadiums with 80000+ people in them. To think there are no targets there, and to think terrorists would want people in 95% of the land mass to feel safe is the foolish thought conveyed on the subject.

[SlaveNoMore]

pony_trekker
Secession of the coasts is a serious topic in my office. How to do it? I volunteer to draw up a plan.

You need a Soviet invasion of the heartland. See the film "Red Dawn"

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
State Ranking of Per Capita Spending, Per-Capita Tax Return on the Federal Tax Dollar: Fiscal 2002

1 New Mexico 2.34
2 North Dakota 2.04
3 Alaska 1.91
4 Mississippi 1.88
5 West Virginia 1.81
6 Montana 1.65
7 Alabama 1.64
8 South Dakota 1.58
9 Hawaii 1.56
10 Arkansas 1.55

11 Oklahoma 1.52
12 Virginia 1.51
13 Kentucky 1.50
14 Louisiana 1.49
15 South Carolina 1.34
16 Maine 1.34
17 Missouri 1.33
18 Idaho 1.31
19 Maryland 1.30
20 Tennessee 1.28

21 Iowa 1.22
22 Arizona 1.21
23 Nebraska 1.18
24 Utah 1.15
25 Kansas 1.13
26 Vermont 1.13
27 Pennsylvania 1.10
28 Rhode Island 1.10
29 North Carolina 1.08
30 Wyoming 1.05

31 Ohio 1.04
32 Georgia 1.04
33 Indiana 1.01
34 Florida 1.00
35 Oregon 0.98
36 Texas 0.96
37 Michigan 0.90
38 Washington 0.89
39 Wisconsin 0.89
40 New York 0.87

41 Delaware 0.86
42 Colorado 0.80
43 California 0.79
44 Massachusetts 0.78
45 Illinois 0.78
46 Minnesota 0.78
47 Nevada 0.76
48 Connecticut 0.69
49 New Hampshire 0.69
50 New Jersey 0.66

If this doesn't scream "become a red state" to you people, I don't know what will. Ty-rone, come to the light, come to the light.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Secession of the coasts is a serious topic in my office. How to do it? I volunteer to draw up a plan.

Please don't leave me out of this. If you guys ditch me, Sarte will have to re-write "No Exit" with me as its central hell citizen.

Sincerely,

Illinois

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Well, we have all known you're an idiot. Now we know that you're a pussy too.

FWIW Thurgreed's got no left hand. In a fight, force him that way.

[SlaveNoMore]

Now that this Kerry boil has been lanced, rather than become complacent in victory, I think it is of the utmost importance for the fiscal conservatives in the GOP to speak up and force this Administration to get in line.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Please don't leave me out of this. If you guys ditch me, Sarte will have to re-write "No Exit" with me as its central hell citizen.

Sincerely,

Illinois

I think we propose to include the Upper Midwest. Our message to Ohio, Illinois, Iowa et al.: If you don't come with us, you're going to have to stay with those guys.

[dtb]

Originally posted by cheval de frise
Down there, many people react to the term "cracker" the same way most good people react to terms like "kike," "spic," "wop," etc. It doesn't help your argument to use names like this.

Hmmmmn. How about redneck?

It's not an argument; I'm not trying to convince anyone. It's a viewpoint.

I expect I'll shortly come across your post where you make a similar point to Not It about how "welfare moms" is code for "urban, poor, black women" and similarly distasteful.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
State Ranking of Per Capita Spending, Per-Capita Tax Return on the Federal Tax Dollar: Fiscal 2002

1 New Mexico 2.34
2 North Dakota 2.04
3 Alaska 1.91
4 Mississippi 1.88
5 West Virginia 1.81
6 Montana 1.65
7 Alabama 1.64
8 South Dakota 1.58
9 Hawaii 1.56
10 Arkansas 1.55

11 Oklahoma 1.52
12 Virginia 1.51
13 Kentucky 1.50
14 Louisiana 1.49
15 South Carolina 1.34
16 Maine 1.34
17 Missouri 1.33
18 Idaho 1.31
19 Maryland 1.30
20 Tennessee 1.28

21 Iowa 1.22
22 Arizona 1.21
23 Nebraska 1.18
24 Utah 1.15
25 Kansas 1.13
26 Vermont 1.13
27 Pennsylvania 1.10
28 Rhode Island 1.10
29 North Carolina 1.08
30 Wyoming 1.05

31 Ohio 1.04
32 Georgia 1.04
33 Indiana 1.01
34 Florida 1.00
35 Oregon 0.98
36 Texas 0.96
37 Michigan 0.90
38 Washington 0.89
39 Wisconsin 0.89
40 New York 0.87

41 Delaware 0.86
42 Colorado 0.80
43 California 0.79
44 Massachusetts 0.78
45 Illinois 0.78
46 Minnesota 0.78
47 Nevada 0.76
48 Connecticut 0.69
49 New Hampshire 0.69
50 New Jersey 0.66

It seems to me that this kind of stuff is totally massageable, and that the "north-east/mid-west coalition for economic equality" is going to be seizing on numbers that make it look like they get screwed, and minimizing the effects of stuff that helps them/hurts non-ne/mw places.

I'm not saying it's totally off the mark, I'm just saying I bet you could come up with reasonable-sounding methodologies, using the same sources, that would produce totally different results.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Now that this Kerry boil has been lanced, rather than become complacent in victory, I think it is of the utmost importance for the fiscal conservatives in the GOP to speak up and force this Administration to get in line.

What are you proposing?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I believe it would be far more effective to bribe totalitarian regimes. Not that I'm advocating this, but if our long-term safety is the primary goal, powerful centralized governments friendly to us are absolutely the way to go.

So you blame Carter for letting the Shah fall?

[dtb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Wasn't the GOP the party of the rich and Big Oil about a week ago?

Now they're the uneducated, rural poor.

Funny dat.

Come on, Slave -- just as the "effete liberals" don't make the difference for dems, neither do the "rich and Big Oil" make the difference for reps. They're just too small a part of the respective parties to make the difference.

But you knew that.