Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Gattigap
How about WSJ Op-Ed?
Powerline?
NRO?

I differentiate between

(A.) lying sacks of scum who come to me claiming to be neutral, claiming to be bringing me clean, complete, vetted snippets of fact that they have ferreted out of the world, but who, instead, have decided on their own which position is correct and so present me instead with either packets of fackets that are incomplete, and, coincidently, are incomplete specifically in that they lack those facts that fail to support, or actively refute, their own favored positions, or who tell me that things that are really their own "analyses" of facts they aren't bothering to share are really the facts themselves; and

(B). advocates who come to me openly listing their biases and hopes and fears and dreams, and make no bones that what they will be sharing with me are things that support their views.

MSM is (A). Kos, Josh, NRO, Powerline, Corner, Atrios - those are all (B)'s. Yes, they are biased. But they don't pretend to NOT be biased, in hopes of fooling me into buying their schtick. When the NYT presents ten articles in a row about unrest in Iraq, and voting complications, and takes a "poll" of six disaffected Iraqis who want us out, and then end their Iraq coverage there, while all the time telling me "we're giving you all the news!", they become lying scum. When kos does the same thing, while telling me explicitly that he's a Dem fanatic, he's being an advocate. I can respect him, and his role. The NYT, though, is whoring.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't suppose it much matters to you that DeLay's comments were made in an interview on Fox.

I don't get your point. Fox, like CBS, has it's own biases, and it's own failings. So, I have problems accepting to-facile "facts" from them when they obviously fall into line with their biases.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
I don't get your point. Fox, like CBS, has it's own biases, and it's own failings. So, I have problems accepting to-facile "facts" from them when they obviously fall into line with their biases.

Fox quoted an interview from Fox. There were no words between "he does his own research on the internet" and "that's just utterly outrageous."

I guess you're saying you need to see the entire transcript, or actually hear a tape, because of Fox's obvious bias against Republicans.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
WFB was never on NRO

Unlike...say Justice Kennedy...Mr. Buckley is not internet savvy

I realize that, but much of the NRO content comes from the mag.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Not that a Vatican II baby like me is thrilled with the election of an arch-conservative as pope, but he was a teenager at the time.

Youthful indiscretion strikes again.

DK has a good point when he says "But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause." Given the choice of joining the Hitler Youth and signing up for the Nazi military, and risking the camps, What Would Jesus Do?

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Youthful indiscretion strikes again.

DK has a good point when he says "But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause." Given the choice of joining the Hitler Youth and signing up for the Nazi military, and risking the camps, What Would Jesus Do?

Render unto Hitler what is Hitler's?

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Youthful indiscretion strikes again.

DK has a good point when he says "But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause." Given the choice of joining the Hitler Youth and signing up for the Nazi military, and risking the camps, What Would Jesus Do?

First off, I'm not a "he". Though nobody on here has (yet) to visit the Pooty Store to confirm same, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Now that THAT'S out of the way, I repeat that things weren't so simple that failing to join the Youth or sign up for the military resulted in a high chance of being thrown in a camp. The family might have been ostracized or penalized monetarily. And most Germans did diddly squat even AFTER the "risk of the camps" (as you put it) was no longer a credible risk. I'd love to know what the Ratzingers did following the liberation of the camps. Most of those in camps couldn't even get a cup of water from the Germans as they wandered around as dirty skeletons. After witnessing the atrocity of a genocide in his home country, what did he do to help his fellow countrymen? Don't hear too much about THAT.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Youthful indiscretion strikes again.

DK has a good point when he says "But we're talking about the highest ranking position in a religion which praises someone dying on a cross for a good cause." Given the choice of joining the Hitler Youth and signing up for the Nazi military, and risking the camps, What Would Jesus Do?

Which is why I gave the examples of Saul/Paul and Augustine and Francis. They all did bad stuff before they began to spread the Good News.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Which is why I gave the examples of Saul/Paul and Augustine and Francis. They all did bad stuff before they began to spread the Good News.

I was an asshole to people pre-1/05, now look at me.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
First off, I'm not a "he". Though nobody on here has (yet) to visit the Pooty Store to confirm same, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Now that THAT'S out of the way, I repeat that things weren't so simple that failing to join the Youth or sign up for the military resulted in a high chance of being thrown in a camp. The family might have been ostracized or penalized monetarily. And most Germans did diddly squat even AFTER the "risk of the camps" (as you put it) was no longer a credible risk. I'd love to know what the Ratzingers did following the liberation of the camps. Most of those in camps couldn't even get a cup of water from the Germans as they wandered around as dirty skeletons. After witnessing the atrocity of a genocide in his home country, what did he do to help his fellow countrymen? Don't hear too much about THAT.

I don't know if you're female but you certainly are a twat. I was agreeing with your point, and your response is to do a Hank imitation.

And I did not suggest that there was a "high" risk of being thrown in the camps, or any level of risk at all -- I simply posited the (possibly hypothetical) choice that you were discussing with Slave.

However, from my own family's experience, I can say with some confidence that there were very significant risks to young men who refused to work with the Nazis. After the Nazis occupied Italy, my great-uncle and uncle spent much of the war hiding in a tunnel. Uncle was hiding because he was deaf and a physical handicap likely meant certain death, even for an adolescent as he was. Great-uncle was hiding because he was an able-bodied man who faced options of being dragged off to a recruiting center or just shot, depending on the mood of the officer who found them. My mother and aunts -- just kids at the time -- would stand look-out watching for German soldiers coming to inspect the house. Sometimes those soldiers crept up through the bushes, where my mom would see them while standing lookout from a balcony.

In other words, they didn't feel that the risk was all that low. Perhaps your personal experience is different, but FWIW I give you the story.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Which is why I gave the examples of Saul/Paul and Augustine and Francis. They all did bad stuff before they began to spread the Good News.

Yes, but you are assuming that this sets a good precedent. I don't know enough about any of them to say whether it does or doesn't. Nor do I know enough to say whether such precedent, good or not, is applicable when we are discussing Nazi Germany, which seems to me to have set a pretty high standard for evil.

Nonetheless, I take comfort in knowing that, if Ratzinger had been gay as a youth, then there is no way he would have been considered for Pope. The Church has got to draw the line somewhere.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, but you are assuming that this sets a good precedent. I don't know enough about any of them to say whether it does or doesn't. Nor do I know enough to say whether such precedent, good or not, is applicable when we are discussing Nazi Germany, which seems to me to have set a pretty high standard for evil.

Nonetheless, I take comfort in knowing that, if Ratzinger had been gay as a youth, then there is no way he would have been considered for Pope. The Church has got to draw the line somewhere.

Dunno if it's accurate or not but apparently 98.1 percent of German boys over 10 were members of Hitler Youth in 1939.

I wonder if our selective service statistics reach that level.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I guess you're saying you need to see the entire transcript, or actually hear a tape, because of Fox's obvious bias against Republicans.

Bias, period, but in Fox's case, bias for Rs.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Dunno if it's accurate or not but apparently 98.1 percent of German boys over 10 were members of Hitler Youth in 1939.

I wonder if our selective service statistics reach that level.

IMHO, being a member of the Hitler Youth (and the German Army, if that comment is true) would be a disqualifying factor. Whatever the reason. I recognize the range of pressures and cultural factors that drove people to such membership, and I don't claim that anyone who was, say, in the Hitler Youth is per se an evil person, or even that he was ever knowingly a Nazi sympathizer. Nor am I saying that all such people are beyond redemption. But it's a long step from there to being the representative (embodiment? I can't remember, it's been decades since Catholic school) of Jesus Christ on Earth.

If that means that a generation or two of Germans is disqualified from the Papacy, I view that as no big deal. There's other jobs.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
Bias, period, but in Fox's case, bias for Rs.

Well, I for one am happy that you finally admit that the MSM is biased for Republicans.