Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I've not read about the logistics of getting people on the buses, but infer from your comment that it was a fucking mess, and would not be surprised.

Too bad Bush let 250 plus buses drown......oh wait, that was Nagin.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And it starts with Nagin and Blanco as the first responders. Why can't the liberals admit this?





I'd take Halliburton's input (at a cost) over anything Admiral Penn is going to do. That's the difference between Republicans and dEmos. Republicans offer organizational leadership, the dems are bunch of screaming mee mees.

Also, fwiw, btw, as someone who was once the king of socks, the mark of a good schtick sock is staying focused. You were fine as a ncs stalker sock, your input here is slightly less useful than SHP, and that is saying something.

dissent. The sock set me up to ask if this was all to make Cheney money. Haven't been able to use that for 2 years. good times!

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Are they saying that they didn't get transport in sooner than Friday because of worries about this? Or is this your post hoc on the situation? I suspect the latter. And things would have been far more orderly had they started getting people out Tues/Weds.

No, I'm declining to engage in the extrapolation from one Hyundai to relief for thousands that Gatti's Duke student anecdote presumably invited.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And it starts with Nagin and Blanco as the first responders. Why can't the liberals admit this?

I think you've seen many people here agree with you that Nagin and Blanco have responsibilities as first responders, and that they possibly and probably fucked up.

What you fail to acknowledge is that the inquiry doesn't END there.

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
He also needed to immediately ask for the national guard and federal assistance. That should have happened immediately after the levee ruptured. It is my understanding this did not happen.

Oh, nuts. Nuts, nuts, nuts, NUTS!

This is total BUREAUCRATIC SQUIRRELSHIT. Bush & Co. need an engraved invitation to send help? RODENTSHIT.

Like I said, there is enough blame to go around, but may more blame fall on anyone who uses this rationale.

Have you coughed up your Nut?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
1) As the Hurricane approached he should have mobilized his resources and should have been prepared for the flooding.

2) Once the flooding did occur he still had manpower (all city employees). He also needed to immediately ask for the national guard and federal assistance. That should have happened immediately after the levee ruptured. It is my understanding this did not happen.

3) His attention 24/7 should be on fixing the problem. If he is interviewed on TV it should be just telling people what to do and what needs to be done. He should not be talking about blame, or doing a debriefing while lives are still at risk. He also should not be defending himself. He just needs to act. As far as I can tell he is not doing that.

spank, how about the buses? In the 48 hours prior to the strike how many people could the buses have ferried out? At 66 people per bus, which I believe was the capacity of the buses in question it is 16,500 people per run. Even with only 3 runs in that 48 hour run up 50,000 people could have been evacauted.

The plan in place after Hugo called for the buses to be employed. Why didn't Nagin use them? Why?!?!?!? WHY?!??!?!!?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Are they saying that they didn't get transport in sooner than Friday because of worries about this? Or is this your post hoc on the situation? I suspect the latter. And things would have been far more orderly had they started getting people out Tues/Weds.

If they had started using the buses on Satruday and Sunday prior to Katrina they could have gottne many of the most affected out. Why didn't Nagin use them? Can you answer for your liberal friend or will you keep taking potshots at the Feds who had no ability to implement the state and city's pre-Katrina preparedness plan?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You think an army convoy would have been turned away for not having a press pass?

There were roads in. The army is supposed to be good at maintaining order.

City's are supposed to be good at operating municipal buses.

[Nut Case, Sensitive]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If they had started using the buses on Satruday and Sunday prior to Katrina they could have gottne many of the most affected out. Why didn't Nagin use them? Can you answer for your liberal friend or will you keep taking potshots at the Feds who had no ability to implement the state and city's pre-Katrina preparedness plan?

A little advice on socking, my man. When you repeat yourself endlessly, people stop listening.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If they had started using the buses on Satruday and Sunday prior to Katrina they could have gottne many of the most affected out.

I have yet to blame anyone for this disaster besides mother nature, but I've read that the logistics behind organizing such a thing would take more than two days, FWIW.*

I can't imagine how long it would take to forcibly bus tens of thousands of hysterical people, who would probably want to bring everything and the kitchen sink with them, out of a city.

*I may have read it the WSJ, but cannot currently confirm.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I think you've seen many people here agree with you that Nagin and Blanco have responsibilities as first responders, and that they possibly and probably fucked up.

What you fail to acknowledge is that the inquiry doesn't END there.

Why do you feel the need to qualify the state and city's errors as being probable and possible, but don't add the qualifiers when you turn the finger toward Bush and the Feds? Honestly, can you, like Ty, not see your entrenched and unbendable bias? At every turn you take the first opportunity to blame Bush but as for any Dem, maybe, probasbly, possibly, they might have made a slight mistake of judgement, whihc is understable in the circumstances, but Bush really fucked it all up after that.

Maybe Nagin and Blanoc's fuck ups were so egregious that the Feds were going to be behind the 8ball from minute one?

Either way, again, whether you want to believe it or not, this is why you lose national elections. I said yesterday or the day before, Bush was a weak candidate. Both times. And yet you couldn't beat him. Imagine what happens when the Republicans put up anyone who is not "weak". Even a marginal candidate will destroy you guys as you don't get it. Democrat liberalism at the Fed level is dead. Clinton was a cult of personality, thankfully his wife is as offputting as an alien anal probe.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
No, I'm declining to engage in the extrapolation from one Hyundai to relief for thousands that Gatti's Duke student anecdote presumably invited.

That's valid. I am interested in knowing why it took until Friday to start getting people trapped in the city out of the city, though. I really do not anticipate getting a satisfying answer on this.*,**

*But I am not easily satisfied.

**I also can't get any satisfying answer as to why it has taken 500 emails, a meeting, and a teleconference to figure out how one guy's disability payment is going to be affected by his getting a lump-sum payout of his pension, so it's not like the failure to give me a satisfying answer is, like, fatal or anything.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why do you feel the need to qualify the state and city's errors as being probable and possible, but don't add the qualifiers when you turn the finger toward Bush and the Feds? Honestly, can you, like Ty, not see your entrenched and unbendable bias? At every turn you take the first opportunity to blame Bush but as for any Dem, maybe, probasbly, possibly, they might have made a slight mistake of judgement, whihc is understable in the circumstances, but Bush really fucked it all up after that.

Maybe Nagin and Blanoc's fuck ups were so egregious that the Feds were going to be behind the 8ball from minute one?

Either way, again, whether you want to believe it or not, this is why you lose national elections. I said yesterday or the day before, Bush was a weak candidate. Both times. And yet you couldn't beat him. Imagine what happens when the Republicans put up anyone who is not "weak". Even a marginal candidate will destroy you guys as you don't get it. Democrat liberalism at the Fed level is dead. Clinton was a cult of personality, thankfully his wife is as offputting as an alien anal probe.

Jesus, dude. You sound like a raving lunatic. I know it's a schtick, but it went out with PLF 2001.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
A little advice on socking, my man. When you repeat yourself endlessly, people stop listening.

Why won't you answer? Becuase you know the dems fucked this one up royally and people died but to engage in that analysis and admit that would mean foregoing the opportunity to employ empty rhetoric to turn human tragedy into partisan political gain?

The dems are really nauseating.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Jesus, dude. You sound like a raving lunatic. I know it's a schtick, but it went out with PLF 2001.

The gay (PLF) male is always ahead of the straight guy on trends like that.