The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
I assume MNF = MultiNational Forces. If not, please advise what the hell you refer to by your casual oh-so-in the know acronym.

You didn't know that? We're in a war - a war that has almost completely occupied the national discourse for years - and you come here to participate in debate about it - and you didn't know THAT? THAT'S your standard for "oh-so-in-the-know"? Good gawd . . . . Ya'all are right. We need to withdraw now. Think France'll take us back?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Frank? I had no idea he was into the NFL.

No, apparently he's into the CA7, but back in the day he was into the CIA, the CFL, and CBGBs on the weekends. IIRC, he donates occasionally to MSF AKA DWB, NTTAWWT, npi, STP.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
You guys got caught with your pants down and are pissed. You want to pander to the unwashed, peacenik, uneducated, anti-war masses with your “get out of Iraq rhetoric” but don’t want to get called on it on the Senate Floor, where the company is more washed and educated (and politically important). Knock it off with the “we’re only saying we should get out of Iraq when it makes sense” bullshit. Cause Repubs are saying that too. You guys have called for everything from “immediate withdrawal” to imposition of a 6 month time frame, with no wiggle room. The “6 more months only” rhetoric reached its peak back in the summer of 2004. Which means some in your party would have had the troops home well before the Constitution was put in place and would have pulled them out no matter how smart it was to pull out from a strategic standpoint. (And don’t forget, some of you schnooks actually voted for immediate withdrawal. Suckas)

Trying to have it both ways is always going to cause embarrassment when you are forced to put your money where your mouth is, and rectify your panderings with your “official” position. Take Kerry. The guy gave the thumbs up to attack Iraq but then wanted to be perceived (in anti-war circles only) as the “candidate against going to war”. When asked whether he voted to go to war or not, a yes or no answer was in order. Instead he had his mouthpieces explain, “what Kerry voted for was to hold Saddam Hussein accountable”. Really? Must have been a close vote, with all those people against accountability and all. How about a resolution requiring accountability for all statements concerning the war. I’m for that.

Shit or get off the pot. Thottam did. He wants all troops out of Iraq now and aint scared to say so. You can find him giving an “update” on Iraq, followed by highly accountable “drumming music” at the Liquid Cube Coffee House at Cal State Northridge. Have a blast.

And if you travel to meet him check in to your hotel and leave your bags BEFORE you go see him. Mug cannot be trusted with underwear.




Penske-style post!TM

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by bilmore
You didn't know that? We're in a war - a war that has almost completely occupied the national discourse for years - and you come here to participate in debate about it - and you didn't know THAT? THAT'S your standard for "oh-so-in-the-know"? Good gawd . . . . Ya'all are right. We need to withdraw now. Think France'll take us back?

Whaa-iffff.

Man, I felt the breeze half a continent away.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
A few years ago, I saw predictions that our troops would be greeted by children with garlands of flowers...

no, it was garland flower hats, cupcakes and smiles.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
You didn't know that? We're in a war - a war that has almost completely occupied the national discourse for years - and you come here to participate in debate about it - and you didn't know THAT? THAT'S your standard for "oh-so-in-the-know"? Good gawd . . . . Ya'all are right. We need to withdraw now. Think France'll take us back?

How's Micronesia doing?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Whaa-iffff.

Man, I felt the breeze half a continent away.

Notice the smiley?

Whiff back atcha, bear.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
no, it was garland flower hats, cupcakes and smiles.

Somehow, I'm more comfortable with numbers...

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by bilmore
Notice the smiley?

Whiff back atcha, bear.

D'oh!

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I don’t know about absurd, but it was quite clear and transparent, unlike the doubletalk you Dems are famous for.

Calling for “immediate troop withdrawal” (“We're done in Iraq and we should pull out in mid-December”) is the same as “having a feeling that we should start trying (not try, but START trying) to extricate troops from Iraq”?. Right, okay then.

You guys got caught with your pants down and are pissed. You want to pander to the unwashed, peacenik, uneducated, anti-war masses with your “get out of Iraq rhetoric” but don’t want to get called on it on the Senate Floor, where the company is more washed and educated (and politically important). Knock it off with the “we’re only saying we should get out of Iraq when it makes sense” bullshit. Cause Repubs are saying that too. You guys have called for everything from “immediate withdrawal” to imposition of a 6 month time frame, with no wiggle room. The “6 more months only” rhetoric reached its peak back in the summer of 2004. Which means some in your party would have had the troops home well before the Constitution was put in place and would have pulled them out no matter how smart it was to pull out from a strategic standpoint. (And don’t forget, some of you schnooks actually voted for immediate withdrawal. Suckas)

Trying to have it both ways is always going to cause embarrassment when you are forced to put your money where your mouth is, and rectify your panderings with your “official” position. Take Kerry. The guy gave the thumbs up to attack Iraq but then wanted to be perceived (in anti-war circles only) as the “candidate against going to war”. When asked whether he voted to go to war or not, a yes or no answer was in order. Instead he had his mouthpieces explain, “what Kerry voted for was to hold Saddam Hussein accountable”. Really? Must have been a close vote, with all those people against accountability and all. How about a resolution requiring accountability for all statements concerning the war. I’m for that.

Shit or get off the pot. Thottam did. He wants all troops out of Iraq now and aint scared to say so. You can find him giving an “update” on Iraq, followed by highly accountable “drumming music” at the Liquid Cube Coffee House at Cal State Northridge. Have a blast.

I haven't called for an immediate withdrawal or for a strict timeframe. Quit ascribing to me opinions that I haven't expressed. If you can't be bothered to actually read my posts and respond to what I am saying, then shut the fuck up or put me on ignore. I'm not your stalking horse or anybody else's, so fuck off.

Murtha also did not call for a full troop withdrawal. He called for a phaseout, beginning in December.

Furthermore, the Republican response, as exemplified by Hastert, Cheney, Frist, McClellan, and Jean Who-the Fuck was not to respond that the Administration was working on an orderly plan for withdrawal, but instead to call Murtha a coward and a liar.

I'm personally willing to stand by what I say. And I'm willing to listen to anything anyone else has to say that is actually substantive and responsive. Take as your examples Bilmore and Club.

You and your vague, misdirected attacks on "the Democrats" as if I speak for them or them for me can join Penske and Hank in the shitcan of people more interested in calling names and flinging feces at shadows on the wall.

I'm tired of you and your kindred spirits. If you aren't willing to engage one-on-one and actually try to advance understanding and raise the level of dialogue, then stay the fuck out of my face.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I haven't called for an immediate withdrawal or for a strict timeframe. Quit ascribing to me opinions that I haven't expressed. If you can't be bothered to actually read my posts and respond to what I am saying, then shut the fuck up or put me on ignore. I'm not your stalking horse or anybody else's, so fuck off.

Furthermore, the Republican response, as exemplified by Hastert, Cheney, Frist, McClellan, and Jean Who-the Fuck was not to respond that the Administration was working on an orderly plan for withdrawal, but instead to call Murtha a coward and a liar.

I'm personally willing to stand by what I say. And I'm willing to listen to anything anyone else has to say that is actually substantive and responsive. Take as your examples Bilmore and Club.

You and your vague, misdirected attacks on "the Democrats" as if I speak for them or them for me can join Penske and Hank in the shitcan of people more interested in calling names and flinging feces at shadows on the wall.

I'm tired of you and your kindred spirits. If you aren't willing to engage one-on-one and actually try to advance understanding and raise the level of dialogue, then stay the fuck out of my face.

Apology is in order.

I have been very good since Penske left. I even commented substantively several times in the past few days. (the Penske-style posts don't count against me)

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Apology is in order.

I have been very good since Penske left. I even commented substantively several times in the past few days. (the Penske-style posts don't count against me)

Not only do the Penske-Style posts count against you, they count double since Penske acknowledged at the end that he was sick and couldn't stop himself.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Not only do the Penske-Style posts count against you, they count double since Penske acknowledged at the end that he was sick and couldn't stop himself.

say you go to a psychic, and the psychic channels Himmler- you would charge the psychic with war crimes?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
say you go to a psychic, and the psychic channels Himmler- you would charge the psychic with war crimes?

Or place him in charge of detainees. If I were channeling W, I mean.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
A few years ago, I saw predictions that our troops would be greeted by children with garlands of flowers, and that hostilities certainly would not last six months. Both of those are also slightly behind schedule, but would be good news nonetheless.

Cite. From where did you hear these predictions. All I remember is them saying it was going to be difficult and you could not put a schedule on these things.