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[Spanky]

DeLay to face 2 in March primary

By WENDY BENJAMINSON
Associated Press


HOUSTON - A brawling three-way Republican primary is getting under way for the congressional seat held by embattled U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay.

DeLay already is campaigning against former Democratic U.S. Rep. Nick Lampson. But his campaign isn't exactly ignoring the two opponents in the March primary, calling one a joke and questioning whether the other is even a Republican.

Michael Fjetland, a lawyer with his own international practice, filed Friday to enter the GOP primary in his fourth try at unseating DeLay. Pat Baig, a former teacher and political newcomer, said she plans to file papers soon but already has begun campaigning.

DeLay, the former House Majority leader who is expected to stand trial next year on charges of money laundering in a campaign finance scheme, usually campaigns quietly without much concern for his re-election in a solidly Republican district.

DeLay has been rocked not only by criminal charges, but the Supreme Court's decision Monday to review the Texas congressional redistricting plan he engineered.

And a recent poll showed 53 percent of voters in his Houston-area 22nd Congressional District would vote for someone other than DeLay if the general election were held today.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Spanky
Preferences and Quotas don't help the situation. On the other hand they convince the general population that, what ever group is being helped, that none of the members of that particular group are as qualified as non members.

In Malaysia, everyone asks for an ethnic Chinese doctor because they think all the Malay doctors are not as qualified. The Hoover insitution did polls on African Americans in this country and asked them about Doctors and many African americans said they preferred white doctors because they had fears the black doctors were not as qualified.

So the result of prefernces and quotas, is that the general population assumes that everyone in a favored group has benefited from them, which of course is not true. You end up making the situation even worse.

So you admit it's a non-sequitor? Good.

Now, let's talk about how to get teens to think about not dropping out from school. What would you suggest?

I'm thinking a program targeted to at risk kids that gives them an incentive to stay in school with the promise of additional education (and hence, opportunities) down the line.

But wait! I can't do that. It would be giving a preference. It would be affirmative action. I have to open up the program to everyone, and so I either have to have an unlimited number of spots, or I have to give them based on "merit." Who do you think is going to get those "merit" spots? The teen I'm trying to give an incentive to, or the kid who was already going to go to college?

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Spanky
DeLay to face 2 in March primary

By WENDY BENJAMINSON
Associated Press


HOUSTON - A brawling three-way Republican primary is getting under way for the congressional seat held by embattled U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay.

DeLay already is campaigning against former Democratic U.S. Rep. Nick Lampson. But his campaign isn't exactly ignoring the two opponents in the March primary, calling one a joke and questioning whether the other is even a Republican.

Michael Fjetland, a lawyer with his own international practice, filed Friday to enter the GOP primary in his fourth try at unseating DeLay. Pat Baig, a former teacher and political newcomer, said she plans to file papers soon but already has begun campaigning.

DeLay, the former House Majority leader who is expected to stand trial next year on charges of money laundering in a campaign finance scheme, usually campaigns quietly without much concern for his re-election in a solidly Republican district.

DeLay has been rocked not only by criminal charges, but the Supreme Court's decision Monday to review the Texas congressional redistricting plan he engineered.

And a recent poll showed 53 percent of voters in his Houston-area 22nd Congressional District would vote for someone other than DeLay if the general election were held today.

The fact that 47 percent would still vote for him today is so very, very not right.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by baltassoc
So you admit it's a non-sequitor? Good.

Now, let's talk about how to get teens to think about not dropping out from school. What would you suggest?

I'm thinking a program targeted to at risk kids that gives them an incentive to stay in school with the promise of additional education (and hence, opportunities) down the line.

But wait! I can't do that. It would be giving a preference. It would be affirmative action. I have to open up the program to everyone, and so I either have to have an unlimited number of spots, or I have to give them based on "merit." Who do you think is going to get those "merit" spots? The teen I'm trying to give an incentive to, or the kid who was already going to go to college?

I don't know about the rest of the country but here in California Junior College is open to all, and it is pretty easy to get into the state school system.

In addition, the state will pay for people to go to almost any trade school.

If you stay in school the opportunities are there. The only issue concerning affirmative action is who gets into the UC system.

[Spanky]

Another thing the system in California does it give the top students at every highschool guranteed admittance. Regardless of their scores. So if you live an affluent white neighborhood and the competition is too tough, then you can always send your kids to the poor intercity school.

That also increases diversity without resorting to racial quotas and preferences.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Spanky
Another thing the system in California does it give the top students at every highschool guranteed admittance. Regardless of their scores. So if you live an affluent white neighborhood and the competition is too tough, then you can always send your kids to the poor intercity school.

That also increases diversity without resorting to racial quotas and preferences.

It is clever how the UC and UT systems have managed to take advantage of the utter failure of those states to effectively desegregate primary and secondary schools to create effective stealth affirmative action programs.

ETA: And if you don't think those programs are being labeled affirmative action, or quotas, or preferences, you aren't listening to parents whose kids finished in the top 25%, but not the top 10% at [insert public high school serving some wealthy suburban enclave here].

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky
For public universities there should be no preferences for children Alumni.

hahahahahahahaha! Try to tell that to the development people.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The thing that will happen over time is that as the black middle class grows, AA will be of less and less value to the really beat kids in slum schools. It will need to evolve beyond race, I think, to provide any help to the real needy.

I agree that in many ways, economic diversity (or AA) is more critical than race-based AA for many of the reasons you and Balt said.

In many areas, though, economics-based AA ends up being very similar to race-based AA in terms of the end result. However, no one can say that economics-based AA is unconstitutional. I know that some colleges have gone to such programs after the recent rulings against racial targets.

S_A_M

[Replaced_Texan]

I honestly can't believe that this was ever an issue and it took us so long to come to this basic conclusion:

WASHINGTON - President Bush reversed course on Thursday and accepted Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record)'s call for a law banning cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror.

Speaking of cattle prods, there is no end to the amount of trouble you get into if you use one on your sister. No matter what she did to your Barbie, avoid the cattle prods.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I honestly can't believe that this was ever an issue and it took us so long to come to this basic conclusion:

Speaking of cattle prods, there is no end to the amount of trouble you get into if you use one on your sister. No matter what she did to your Barbie, avoid the cattle prods.

Finally, an insight into what led to her fisting proclivities.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by baltassoc
It is clever how the UC and UT systems have managed to take advantage of the utter failure of those states to effectively desegregate primary and secondary schools to create effective stealth affirmative action programs.

ETA: And if you don't think those programs are being labeled affirmative action, or quotas, or preferences, you aren't listening to parents whose kids finished in the top 25%, but not the top 10% at [insert public high school serving some wealthy suburban enclave here].

Yes parents complain, but there is no concerted political effort to end them. These regional quotas have never been a hot political issue. At least in Califonira. There is no political concerted effort to end them because they are fair. If you think kids going to a certain school have an advantage you can always send your kid to that school. In addition, a minority kid from a wealthy family can't take advantage of the system either.

There is a huge difference between a regional quota and a racial quota. Often the results may be similar, but one is infinitely more fair and has much less of a negative social impact.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Speaking of cattle prods, there is no end to the amount of trouble you get into if you use one on your sister. No matter what she did to your Barbie, avoid the cattle prods.

Biological or sorority?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Biological or sorority?

Racist.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Racist.

Yes, son, SS is dumb.

And you are smart.

Did I ever tell you the one about a captain under my command who was wounded in the most unfortunate place?

After that, that boy had something to prove, I can tell you.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
Yes, son, SS is dumb.

And you are smart.

Did I ever tell you the one about a captain under my command who was wounded in the most unfortunate place?

After that, that boy had something to prove, I can tell you.

Why do you bother?

SS and I voted differently last year, but that isn't why we come here. We come here to get a smile. He's made me laugh about 100 times, most recently the sister thing. We like each other and have respect for each other's wit. You just confuse- not that your posts are confusing, but the reason you post them escapes me- I am pretty sure most other of the better posters have no idea why you bother.

At first I thought you a SS sock. After about 3 posts I realized I was wrong- no way could he grind this crap out. You're either a primary, which is really sad- or some dull- wit who had an idea- make a faux racist sock!!!!!!! Gold star!!!!! the bit is played. if you really think you should keep posting post something beyond your usual stupid posts.

And you can't win a fight with me because no one has ever enjoyed a single post you've made, so no one will take your side. You lack credibility. My first gilligan post, on it's own, beats all your posts.