Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is there some reason that you think that this book is more accurate than Ghost Wars, or do just like its story better?

Slave, what do you think? Does this sound more accurate than Steve Coll's account?

Hank, I notice that you link to Kos, and yet most of what you quoted is something from another cite quoted there. And yet you don't give the Kos writer's response: "We know this is simply bullshit. Yet ABC is airing this propaganda and will undoubtedly promote the hell out of it in the next two weeks."

Did you know that it's simply bullshit, or did you just not read that far?

It's on TV Ty. I don't read well, but I can watch the hell out of my TV. And I always try to limit content created at Kos or DU, because you guys have said you find it untrustworthy.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is there some reason that you think that this book is more accurate than Ghost Wars, or do just like its story better?

Slave, what do you think? Does this sound more accurate than Steve Coll's account?

Hank, I notice that you link to Kos, and yet most of what you quoted is something from another cite quoted there. And yet you don't give the Kos writer's response: "We know this is simply bullshit. Yet ABC is airing this propaganda and will undoubtedly promote the hell out of it in the next two weeks."

Did you know that it's simply bullshit, or did you just not read that far?

Unlike CBS (Dan Rather lying), Reuters (doctored photos), NYTimes (Jayson Blair's lies) or WaPo (JKanet Cooke), ABC is credible, reliable, albeit sometimes a little left leaning, news organization. Its general tendency to lean left gives this production and their promotion more credibility.

Truth hurts, Ty, yes?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's on TV Ty. I don't read well, but I can watch the hell out of my TV. And I always try to limit content created at Kos or DU, because you guys have said you find it untrustworthy.

If Ty can cite blogs as reliable evidence of anything, not to mention an unknown Aussie crank, Quiggan, then certainly an ABC news documentary has credibility, no?

Also, speaking of ABC news. I saw a John Stoessel documnetary on Friday on the failure of public education in America. Short synopsis: unions have destroyed our nation's schools and block any effective reform in that area.....

Someone remind me, are teachers unions part of the left/Democrat coalition or the right/Republicans? If its the right I will be sure to apologise to the board for the hatred and destruction of my country that my side has caused. Ty, will you do the same if it turns out the other way?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If Ty can cite blogs as reliable evidence of anything, not to mention an unknown Aussie crank, Quiggan, then certainly an ABC news documentary has credibility, no?

Also, speaking of ABC news. I saw a John Stoessel documnetary on Friday on the failure of public education in America. Short synopsis: unions have destroyed our nation's schools and block any effective reform in that area.....

Someone remind me, are teachers unions part of the left/Democrat coalition or the right/Republicans? If its the right I will be sure to apologise to the board for the hatred and destruction of my country that my side has caused. Ty, will you do the same if it turns out the other way?

I've been studying on this and re-reading it just to make sure i understand. It sounds like your, i mean you're, saying it's the Dems fault that I can read or write good, i mean well?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Unlike CBS (Dan Rather lying), Reuters (doctored photos), NYTimes (Jayson Blair's lies) or WaPo (JKanet Cooke), ABC is credible, reliable, albeit sometimes a little left leaning, news organization. Its general tendency to lean left gives this production and their promotion more credibility.

Truth hurts, Ty, yes?

Poor, poor dumbshit.

This latest, extreme example of pursuing short-term tactics (admitting ABC might be OK in order to praise some shit movie) to the detriment of strategic thinking (really, all MSM is liberal) will come back to bite you in the ass, Penske, probably in the form of ABC broacasting next fall some America-hating, commie-Islamofascist pinko movie-of-the-week produced by Michael Moore, John Kerry and their secret lovechild Osama Moore bin Kerry.

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BTW, how is Fox these days? I thought that with Sean "Huggabear" Hannity and all, I could safely watch it -- but I see Mark Steyn telling me that their reporters and photographers are really Islamofascist appeasers because they said they'd convert to Islam instead of being beheaded. This makes them sissymen, of course, unlike Steyn's story of a 16yo girl, or some fictional characters in a novel who stood up for their principles and, of course, worked out OK. Do you agree? Should I reluctantly boycott FNC for employing such pussy America-haters and limit my media to Powerline and WSJ?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Poor, poor dumbshit.

2. Penske lacks critical thinking skills.

Pity. He is standard issue from our public schools.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Poor, poor dumbshit.

Politics of personal destruction....when will you lefties learn that the electorate does not respond to your tactics of diviseness and hatred?

Originally posted by Gattigap


BTW, how is Fox these days? I thought that with Sean "Huggabear" Hannity and all, I could safely watch it -- but I see Mark Steyn telling me that their reporters and photographers are really Islamofascist appeasers because they said they'd convert to Islam instead of being beheaded. This makes them sissymen, of course, unlike Steyn's story of a 16yo girl, or some fictional characters in a novel who stood up for their principles and, of course, worked out OK. Do you agree? Should I reluctantly boycott FNC for employing such pussy America-haters and limit my media to Powerline and WSJ?

Cite please (I was on vacation during this episode and neither watched nor read the news).

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I've been studying on this and re-reading it just to make sure i understand. It sounds like your, i mean you're, saying it's the Dems fault that I can read or write good, i mean well?

To.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. Penske lacks critical thinking skills.

Pity. He is standard issue from our public schools.

Indeed, and the price I currently pay for the left's destruction of our public schools is $30,000/year, with expected non-inflation adjusted) increases to $65,000/year in 2010. What a waste of investment capital to our nation. Why does the left hate our children and the future of our nation so?

[Spanky]

To my fellow Republicans:

Please follow my example and vote Republican this November:

The November general election is always a simple exercise for me. In the primary I research the candidates, but in the general election, at least for partisan office, the choice is always simple. I just pick the person with an R next to their name. People always say to me; “shouldn't you research the candidates?” “How can an educated guy like you be so dogmatic about how you vote?” However, to me it makes perfect sense. The party affiliation one chooses says everything I need to know about their candidacy. There is a basic philosophical difference between Republicans and Democrats that I believe out weighs any other considerations.

This philosophical difference is no where more distinct than in education policy. In the Los Angeles School District they have what is called the "Dance of the Lemons". A principle is kept at a school until the parents complain so much that he or she has to be moved. Once the complaints get overwhelming the district simply transfers the incompetent principle to another school, and then replaces him or her with an incompetent principle that has just been pushed out of another school. The incompetent principles just keep getting transferred from school to school indefinitely. The result of this policy is what they call the "Dance of the Lemons". When you hear examples of such incompetence, you know that no Republican, if they could make the call, would ever create such a system. Only Democrats could concoct such a system.

A Republican instinctively wants a system of education that focuses on educating children. A Democrat views our education system as an opportunity to provide a job corp. program for teachers and bureaucrats. The tenure system has got to be one of the dumbest ideas every invented. Why on earth would we ever have a system that allows incompetent teachers to stay employed? Most Republicans think we should support teachers and pay them well, but that is only the teachers that are competent. Would a Republican ever come up with a system that protects incompetent teachers? Of course not. Every time a proposal is put forward to either figure out which teachers are doing their job, by testing, or ways to get rid of the bad apples, the California Teachers Association, and hence the Democrats oppose it.

Democrats also see the education system as an opportunity for indoctrinating students in ways they view as beneficial, as opposed to simply teaching them how to read, write and do basic math. Republicans instinctively understand that you only promote or graduate students that have learned something. However, the California Teachers Association and the Democrats always defend social promotion. In other words, keep moving the students up through the grades even if they aren't learning anything. Only a Democrat could endorse such a ludicrous idea.

I hear all the time; “well you disagree with the Republican candidate on so many issues, how can you vote for them?” No candidate is ever going to agree with me on one hundred percent of the issues. The only person that I will ever find that agrees with me 100% on all the issues is me. The important question is which candidate shares similar policy goals with me on most of the important issues, and the answer is, always the Republican.

A refrain I often here from Republicans is; “well I generally vote Republican but I have met my local State Senator (or Assemblyman) and they are so nice and seem competent so I am going to vote for him or her.” When I hear statements like that it is like hearing fingernails being scraped on a chalk board. Your representative may be competent and smart, but when it comes to the legislature the most important vote they will cast in their term is who they will vote for to be majority leader. No matter how nice or competent your local legislator seems, if they are a Democrat, they will vote for a majority leader that will tolerate and even promote policies that will create a "Dance of the Lemons" and social promotion type education policies.

So the issue is do you want a legislator that is nice to you and sends you Christmas cards, or one that will vote in a majority leader that will try and fix our screwed up educational system? I don't care how nice or amiable my local legislator is, or how familiar he or she is with issues, or whether or not I am related to them, I just want one that will support a majority leader who pushes for competent governance. When viewed from that perspective, the only choice is the Republican.

I also often hear from Republicans, “well I voted for Schwarzenegger, but I also vote for the Democrat State Senator or Assemblyman because he or she is so competent or seems like a good person.” That constant refrain also burns me up. That is like pushing Arnold into the ring but tying both of his hands behind his back. If you really want to help Arnold turn the state around you need to elect a legislator that will support him. If you vote for a Democrat legislator you are simply undermining the man you think you are supporting.

I may have significant policy differences with many Republican candidates, but in the end, I know that the Republicans hold to the same central core values that I do. If you want to see education reformed for the better in this state, vote Republican. If you want to see Arnold accomplish what he wants to accomplish, vote Republican. It is that simple.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
To my fellow Republicans:

POST OF THE MILLENIUM!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Spanky
Please follow my example and vote Republican this November:

I am with you brother!

Originally posted by Spanky

The only person that I will ever find that agrees with me 100% on all the issues is me.

I am not sure that I even agree with myself 100% of the time......
.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Also, speaking of ABC news. I saw a John Stoessel documnetary on Friday on the failure of public education in America. Short synopsis: unions have destroyed our nation's schools and block any effective reform in that area.....

Someone remind me, are teachers unions part of the left/Democrat coalition or the right/Republicans? If its the right I will be sure to apologise to the board for the hatred and destruction of my country that my side has caused. Ty, will you do the same if it turns out the other way?

There was this guy on the commuter bus I used to take all the time who was always carrying libertarian tracts from small publishing houses and offering to lend people his copy of the National Review. He find people to talk to about politics, which was irritating only because the bus was usually dead quiet.

Anyhoo, I started talking to him at the station once, and somehow we started talking about education policy. He said that he'd spent a lot of time over the years on the issue at the state level and had finally given up in disgust. He said that to accomplish anything, you needed to make curriculum changes and you needed to get the teachers unions to go along. But the Republicans wouldn't spend the money to change the curriculum (new books cost money) and the Democrats wouldn't agree to tell the teachers unions to get bent. Both sides preferred to do nothing and blame the other side.

Sounds about right to me.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
SHP, Sidd, Wonk, GGG are all human beings and forget taking you seriously, they all look up to you as a God. The fact that there are only 2 digits in their IQ scores does not mean they are not people- it just means they are dull normal.

Just because I find you a bit of an ass online and I think that you are probably more bullshitter than facist thug does not mean I view Ty as a god.

Also, doesn't one of the Ten Commandments take a dim view of referring to other non-Gods as God? I'd hate to think that a sloppy capitalization error might wind up adding 1000 years to your time in Purgatory.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Spanky
To my fellow Republicans:

Please follow my example and vote Republican this November:

The November general election is always a simple exercise for me. In the primary I research the candidates, but in the general election, at least for partisan office, the choice is always simple. I just pick the person with an R next to their name. People always say to me; “shouldn't you research the candidates?” “How can an educated guy like you be so dogmatic about how you vote?” However, to me it makes perfect sense. The party affiliation one chooses says everything I need to know about their candidacy. There is a basic philosophical difference between Republicans and Democrats that I believe out weighs any other considerations.

This philosophical difference is no where more distinct than in education policy. In the Los Angeles School District they have what is called the "Dance of the Lemons". A principle is kept at a school until the parents complain so much that he or she has to be moved. Once the complaints get overwhelming the district simply transfers the incompetent principle to another school, and then replaces him or her with an incompetent principle that has just been pushed out of another school. The incompetent principles just keep getting transferred from school to school indefinitely. The result of this policy is what they call the "Dance of the Lemons". When you hear examples of such incompetence, you know that no Republican, if they could make the call, would ever create such a system. Only Democrats could concoct such a system.

A Republican instinctively wants a system of education that focuses on educating children. A Democrat views our education system as an opportunity to provide a job corp. program for teachers and bureaucrats. The tenure system has got to be one of the dumbest ideas every invented. Why on earth would we ever have a system that allows incompetent teachers to stay employed? Most Republicans think we should support teachers and pay them well, but that is only the teachers that are competent. Would a Republican ever come up with a system that protects incompetent teachers? Of course not. Every time a proposal is put forward to either figure out which teachers are doing their job, by testing, or ways to get rid of the bad apples, the California Teachers Association, and hence the Democrats oppose it.

Democrats also see the education system as an opportunity for indoctrinating students in ways they view as beneficial, as opposed to simply teaching them how to read, write and do basic math. Republicans instinctively understand that you only promote or graduate students that have learned something. However, the California Teachers Association and the Democrats always defend social promotion. In other words, keep moving the students up through the grades even if they aren't learning anything. Only a Democrat could endorse such a ludicrous idea.

I hear all the time; “well you disagree with the Republican candidate on so many issues, how can you vote for them?” No candidate is ever going to agree with me on one hundred percent of the issues. The only person that I will ever find that agrees with me 100% on all the issues is me. The important question is which candidate shares similar policy goals with me on most of the important issues, and the answer is, always the Republican.

A refrain I often here from Republicans is; “well I generally vote Republican but I have met my local State Senator (or Assemblyman) and they are so nice and seem competent so I am going to vote for him or her.” When I hear statements like that it is like hearing fingernails being scraped on a chalk board. Your representative may be competent and smart, but when it comes to the legislature the most important vote they will cast in their term is who they will vote for to be majority leader. No matter how nice or competent your local legislator seems, if they are a Democrat, they will vote for a majority leader that will tolerate and even promote policies that will create a "Dance of the Lemons" and social promotion type education policies.

So the issue is do you want a legislator that is nice to you and sends you Christmas cards, or one that will vote in a majority leader that will try and fix our screwed up educational system? I don't care how nice or amiable my local legislator is, or how familiar he or she is with issues, or whether or not I am related to them, I just want one that will support a majority leader who pushes for competent governance. When viewed from that perspective, the only choice is the Republican.

I also often hear from Republicans, “well I voted for Schwarzenegger, but I also vote for the Democrat State Senator or Assemblyman because he or she is so competent or seems like a good person.” That constant refrain also burns me up. That is like pushing Arnold into the ring but tying both of his hands behind his back. If you really want to help Arnold turn the state around you need to elect a legislator that will support him. If you vote for a Democrat legislator you are simply undermining the man you think you are supporting.

I may have significant policy differences with many Republican candidates, but in the end, I know that the Republicans hold to the same central core values that I do. If you want to see education reformed for the better in this state, vote Republican. If you want to see Arnold accomplish what he wants to accomplish, vote Republican. It is that simple.

I will not be voting Republican this November. I will not be voting Democtatic either. I may not vote at all.

Very few politicians hold any "central core values." They simply want to be elected/re-elected for another term. Take, for example, the Republican mantra over the last 40 years of fiscal responsibility/limited government. Where has that core value gone? Unless you think that presiding over the greatest expansion in the federal government since the Great Society represents adherence to this principal? I think not.

The only way in which, as a true believer in those principals, you can effect change is to vote them out of office. Otherwise, you are nothing more than an enabler.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Take, for example, the Republican mantra over the last 40 years of fiscal responsibility/limited government. Where has that core value gone?

Some mantras are core values, but some are marketing lines that seem to work.