Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Spanky]

These guys sent this to me to convince me to lobby the Governator against it. Their email will have the exact opposite effect.


In the Action Alert we sent to you earlier, we omitted a very important bill that has reached the Governor's desk.

Please discuss AB 2560 the next time you contact the Governor.

SB 2560—Public School Health Center Expansion (Ridley-Thomas-D) This Orwellian piece of legislation seeks to establish, retain and expand “health centers” in public schools. These health centers will collect data on children and then compile a biennial report on the collected data. AB 2560 allows school-based health centers to provide diagnostic and treatment services. This means that teachers and school staff may remove students from class, examine them and then “treat” them for maladies including “mental health disorders.” School officials may also immunize students and provide counseling for “newer morbidities” such as teen sex, substance abuse, smoking, violence and behavioral problems. Under this legislation, the rights of parents to direct their children’s healthcare will be denied. School officials will possess the power to prescribe medication to students they believe have “behavioral problems.”

The next time you speak with Governor Schwarzenegger please ask him to VETO AB 2560!

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Not that my opinion matters in the least, but I have a feeling he is going to sign this one.

:violin:

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
These guys sent this to me to convince me to lobby the Governator against it. Their email will have the exact opposite effect.


In the Action Alert we sent to you earlier, we omitted a very important bill that has reached the Governor's desk.

Please discuss AB 2560 the next time you contact the Governor.

SB 2560—Public School Health Center Expansion (Ridley-Thomas-D) This Orwellian piece of legislation seeks to establish, retain and expand “health centers” in public schools. These health centers will collect data on children and then compile a biennial report on the collected data. AB 2560 allows school-based health centers to provide diagnostic and treatment services. This means that teachers and school staff may remove students from class, examine them and then “treat” them for maladies including “mental health disorders.” School officials may also immunize students and provide counseling for “newer morbidities” such as teen sex, substance abuse, smoking, violence and behavioral problems. Under this legislation, the rights of parents to direct their children’s healthcare will be denied. School officials will possess the power to prescribe medication to students they believe have “behavioral problems.”

The next time you speak with Governor Schwarzenegger please ask him to VETO AB 2560!

_____________________________________
Not that my opinion matters in the least, but I have a feeling he is going to sign this one.

:violin:

just a heads up. Taxwonk will almost certainly be pm'ing to see if you can get him access to some of the HS girl's files from this program.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
didn't Jimmy Carter decide that invading Iran ( a limited invasion, but still) was a good idea?

He staged that to make it look like it was impossible to invade Iran. He came from the future and knew that the Mulllah's would need his support now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I keep an open mind and am open to a coherent presentation of the facts, which is why the Iraqi al Qaeda connection still interests me, as I have not seen the facts convincingly disputed.

• MR. RUSSERT: President Bush said that Iraq had “nothing to do with September 11th.” Do you agree with that?
  
  SEN. SANTORUM: As far as we know, that’s, that’s the case. ...

linky

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

• MR. RUSSERT: President Bush said that Iraq had “nothing to do with September 11th.” Do you agree with that?
  
  SEN. SANTORUM: As far as we know, that’s, that’s the case. ...

linky

I think his use of the words "we know" are key. They don't necessarily mean that there is not evidence to suggest a link, just nothing that "we know" as an absolute certainty. The totality of the text indicates to me that Santorum might be more in the former camp than the latter. Which makes sense in context of the facts, that we know to be true, that former President Clinton called Iraq the greatest danger to stability in the ME and also told us that they had WMDs, which, apparently as Sen. Santorum pointed out, we found after we took appropriate action, and those WMDs numbered at least 500!!!

And that's not counting what was moved to Syria.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think his use of the words "we know" are key. They don't necessarily mean that there is not evidence to suggest a link, just nothing that "we know" as an absolute certainty. The totality of the text indicates to me that Santorum might be more in the former camp than the latter. Which makes sense in context of the facts, that we know to be true, that former President Clinton called Iraq the greatest danger to stability in the ME and also told us that they had WMDs, which, apparently as Sen. Santorum pointed out, we found after we took appropriate action, and those WMDs numbered at least 500!!!

And that's not counting what was moved to Syria.

As Donald Rumsfeld famously observed, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

It is, however, nonetheless an absence of evidence.

And you have household chemicals that are as dangerous as the old, non-functional chemical weapons (artillery shells) they found.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
As Donald Rumsfeld famously observed, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

It is, however, nonetheless an absence of evidence.

And you have household chemicals that are as dangerous as the old, non-functional chemical weapons (artillery shells) they found.

What absence of evidence? There is evidence. 500 WMDs. Given Iraqs, including its attempts to buy yellowcake in Niger, I am more worried about the intent of what that evidences than what it could actually do at the moment. Clinton told me these guys were dangerous and I trust him.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What absence of evidence? There is evidence. 500 WMDs. Given Iraqs, including its attempts to buy yellowcake in Niger, I am more worried about the intent of what that evidences than what it could actually do at the moment. Clinton told me these guys were dangerous and I trust him.

Clinton thought we shouldn't take out Osama but we should take out Sadaam. Once we realized Osama was really dangerous, doesn't that make Sadaam really dangerous +?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Clinton thought we shouldn't take out Osama

Does saying things this stupid hurt your brain, or just mine?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Does saying things this stupid hurt your brain, or just mine?

if you're right, and the movie isn't true, I'm sad that Clinton's name will be sullied. but it's on TV and it will be the new reality even if not so.

Do you think your blog can counter ABc's viewership? How many page hits today?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you're right, and the movie isn't true, I'm sad that Clinton's name will be sullied. but it's on TV and it will be the new reality even if not so.

Do you think your blog can counter ABc's viewership? How many page hits today?

Lots. The advertising bucks are rolling in.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you evaluated issues honestly it would be more fun to converse with you.

BTW do you know if Panda is a Wonk sock? my daughter is underage, you know.

If so, she's packing a killa fake ID.

[Spanky]

What I find so ironic is that the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism is it really is not as much of a problem for us as it is the rest of the developed and developing world. Because of 9-11 and Iraq we have become intertwined in the Middle East but if we totally screw up it is not that much skin of our backs.

We are a whole ocean away from the Middle East. We need the oil but we produce a ton of oil ourselves and as the price climbs we will adopt other forms of energy.

China and India however are just starting to industrialize so they have to go through a phase where they will have to suck up a lot of oil. We have a developed service economy so our oil in take can be adjusted with much more ease.

China has a serious Islamic population in Sinkiang with all the Uigurs that want to secede, and with all their Turkish brethren right across the border with their own countries this is just going to get worse. They also have a significant Han Muslim population in Western China that also poses a problem.

India does not get along well with Pakistan and has over a hundred million Muslims with in its own borders.

Russia has got Chechnya and all the Muslims in Tartarstan. The rest of Europe has lots of Muslims in their countries that are not assimilated (and won't be), and they are right above North Africa and next to the Middle East. The idea that Muslims will take over Europe is absurd (at least not for a few hundred years) but they have domestic populations that can do a lot of damage where we don't.

When Pakistan and Saudi Arabia get taken over by fanatic organizations, and the Iranians get the bomb, all these countries are going to be in the firing line. We will still be oceans and continents away.

We are going to be out of firing range and are going to have a constantly improving missile defense system. When all these countries realize that it is more there problem that the US's problem it may be too late.

All these countries think they are sticking it to us when they don't fully cooperate with the war on terror; the ironic thing is that they have a much bigger stake in our success than we do.

I realize Al Queda was able to break through our ocean protection but that is because we weren't paying attention. We can shield ourselves much better from the problems in the Middle East than all those other bozos on the Security Council.

Am I wrong?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
if you're right, and the movie isn't true, I'm sad that Clinton's name will be sullied. but it's on TV and it will be the new reality even if not so.

So far, I am a believer, although I am open to Ty proving me enlightening me beyond ABCNews' docudrama.

Ty, has Quiggan weighed in yet?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
What I find so ironic is that the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism is it really is not as much of a problem for us as it is the rest of the developed and developing world. Because of 9-11 and Iraq we have become intertwined in the Middle East but if we totally screw up it is not that much skin of our backs.

We are a whole ocean away from the Middle East. We need the oil but we produce a ton of oil ourselves and as the price climbs we will adopt other forms of energy.

China and India however are just starting to industrialize so they have to go through a phase where they will have to suck up a lot of oil. We have a developed service economy so our oil in take can be adjusted with much more ease.

China has a serious Islamic population in Sinkiang with all the Uigurs that want to secede, and with all their Turkish brethren right across the border with their own countries this is just going to get worse. They also have a significant Han Muslim population in Western China that also poses a problem.

India does not get along well with Pakistan and has over a hundred million Muslims with in its own borders.

Russia has got Chechnya and all the Muslims in Tartarstan. The rest of Europe has lots of Muslims in their countries that are not assimilated (and won't be), and they are right above North Africa and next to the Middle East. The idea that Muslims will take over Europe is absurd (at least not for a few hundred years) but they have domestic populations that can do a lot of damage where we don't.

When Pakistan and Saudi Arabia get taken over by fanatic organizations, and the Iranians get the bomb, all these countries are going to be in the firing line. We will still be oceans and continents away.

We are going to be out of firing range and are going to have a constantly improving missile defense system. When all these countries realize that it is more there problem that the US's problem it may be too late.

All these countries think they are sticking it to us when they don't fully cooperate with the war on terror; the ironic thing is that they have a much bigger stake in our success than we do.

I realize Al Queda was able to break through our ocean protection but that is because we weren't paying attention. We can shield ourselves much better from the problems in the Middle East than all those other bozos on the Security Council.

Am I wrong?

Mostly, I believe you write the truth, as always; provided however, I wonder if whether more than pure irony, there is also a measure of coincidence here, but the cogitation of that concept, coincidental irony, leads me to realise that, surely, there is a measure of divine providence at work here, intelligent design, iyw.

As Reagan spaketh unto us, Shining City on a Hill, etc etc.