Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Given the NYT propensity to lie about all things Bush, I'll withhold judgement on this until someone who has actually read the thing can comment on it.

By-line = Jayson Blair?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
Where did the 95% statistic come from?

It's the flipside of Hank's Five Percent True Positive Rate Is Just Peachy Theorem.

Since you didn't refute any of the points in my syllogism I assume you think my logic is unassailable.

I've not really been involved in these discussions with you, so I didn't see it as my job to refute your logic. If you, like Hank, believe that a 95% false positive rate is both workable in practice and sufficient justification for institutionalizing torture, then there's not much for us to discuss anyway.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Given the NYT propensity to lie about all things Bush, I'll withhold judgement on this until someone who has actually read the thing can comment on it.

For the NYT to make such sweeping accusations based on the claims of "unnamed officials" - who also may not have read the thing - is ludicrous.

That's cool. We can wait a day or two for the blogosphere to attack the NYT as treasonous for releasing confidential information, thereby implicitly validating its contents, and we can return to the substance then.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
It's the flipside of Hank's Five Percent True Positive Rate Is Just Peachy Theorem.



I've not really been involved in these discussions with you, so I didn't see it as my job to refute your logic. If you, like Hank, believe that a 95% false positive rate is both workable in practice and sufficient justification for institutionalizing torture, then there's not much for us to discuss anyway.

Decision 2006:

The Rs: The party of Homeland Security (go team america, go!) and less IRS intrusion.

v.

The Ds: The party protecting the rights of terrorists and other enemy combatants here and abroad and paying for it out of your wallet (including but not limited to rifling your wallet after you die).

Does this essentially sum it up? Assuming yes, then I fail to see how the Ds are delusional enough to think they will take the House.

Discuss.....

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Translation: I [taxwonk] am wrong, Spanky is right, but as with many on the left I do not have the moral fortitude to admit as much except in some torturously opaque way.

Real translation: never try to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

[Penske_Account]

It is a fact that Bill Clinton is able to look the American people in the eye, feign absolute sincerity, moralistically wag his finger and outright, unqualifiedly lie to us. So what to make of his crazed outbursts in the Chris Wallace interview yesterday? Is his guilt over the 3000 people who died on 911 finally getting to him? Is the syphyllis rotting his brain? Or he can't help but lie?

Also, when he jabbed Wallace in the leg (several times), battery?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Real translation: never try to teach a pig to sing; you waste your time and annoy the pig.

Don't be so negative on yourself wonk, maybe if you opened your mind, Spanky would be able to teach you to sing.....or at least come to conclusions that make sense.


eta: ps: explain this ???

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Don't be so negative on yourself wonk, maybe if you opened your mind, Spanky would be able to teach you to sing.....or at least come to conclusions that make sense.


eta: ps: explain this ???

Spanky just doesn't get it and you're too full of shit to figure out whether or not it's worth arguing with you. Anybody who really doesn't understand why it is never acceptable to have the government endorse and legalize torture, period, just doesn't really understand what makes this country great.

In the words of Pogo, "we has met the enemy and he is us."

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
Since you didn't refute any of the points in my syllogism I assume you think my logic is unassailable.

Of course you do.



I refuse to respond to posts like that because responding might encourage more. :butt:

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Given the NYT propensity to lie about all things Bush, I'll withhold judgement on this until someone who has actually read the thing can comment on it.

For the NYT to make such sweeping accusations based on the claims of "unnamed officials" - who also may not have read the thing - is ludicrous.

Well, here is a link to the Wapo article quoting Negroponte on this subject. He's probably read the report.

He essentially says -- "Yes, but . . . there are many other conclusions and issues addressed in the NIE as well, so don't just focus on this one."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...86.html?sub=AR

S_A_M

P.S. I'm sure Ty and Wonk are waiting for their apologies.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Well, here is a link to the Wapo article quoting Negroponte on this subject. He's probably read the report.

He essentially says -- "Yes, but . . . there are many other conclusions and issues addressed in the NIE as well, so don't just focus on this one."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...86.html?sub=AR

S_A_M

P.S. I'm sure Ty and Wonk are waiting for their apologies.

Why would Slave need to apologize. He was "withholding judgment." Don't you believe him?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Why would Slave need to apologize. He was "withholding judgment." Don't you believe him?

Wasn't referring to Slave, particularly, or limiting it to that one issue.

S_A_M

[SlaveNoMore]

y Secret_Agent_Man
Well, here is a link to the Wapo article quoting Negroponte on this subject. He's probably read the report.

He essentially says -- "Yes, but . . . there are many other conclusions and issues addressed in the NIE as well, so don't just focus on this one."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...86.html?sub=AR

S_A_M

P.S. I'm sure Ty and Wonk are waiting for their apologies.

You know, I click on that link, and the quote I'm seeing is:

"What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat," Negroponte said in a statement.

"The conclusions of the intelligence community are designed to be comprehensive, and viewing them through the narrow prism of a fraction of judgments distorts the broad framework they create."

In other words, Negropointe is backing up my assessment - the NYT et. al. should not be making any sweeping conclusions.

eta: Why would Wonk or Ty deserve an apology?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Spanky just doesn't get it and you're too full of shit to figure out whether or not it's worth arguing with you. Anybody who really doesn't understand why it is never acceptable to have the government endorse and legalize torture, period, just doesn't really understand what makes this country great.

In the words of Pogo, "we has met the enemy and he is us."

As a society, we passively endorse the systemic inflection of rape as an ancillary punishment for some....many....who serve prison sentences. Is this not a form of torture? If we can endorse prison rape as a punitive measure, I am all for waterboarding of terrorists and enemy combatants to save American lives.

Further, as a society, we passively endorse the systemic deprivation and/or infringemnet of basic civil rights of young black and hispanic males in many.....most of major urban centers. In your home city of Chicago, not too long ago, I had a desk sargeant at a South Side precint unclip and start to draw his service revolver on me while two of his colleagues looked on. My transgression.....I showed up as a legal aide attorney to represent a young black kid whom they felt was guilty (outable,dl dl). This shite goes on in many....most major cities, all of which are controlled by the Ds. I see it every night in teh hood I live in. Where is the outrage? Oh, that's right, it's saved for Bush and his detainment of enemy combatants.

It's truly sad and twisted that the Ds care more about the rights of those will destroy us, than they do about their fellow Americans. Freedom is apparently wasted on some.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You know, I click on that link, and the quote I'm seeing is:

"What we have said, time and again, is that while there is much that remains to be done in the war on terror, we have achieved some notable successes against the global jihadist threat," Negroponte said in a statement.

"The conclusions of the intelligence community are designed to be comprehensive, and viewing them through the narrow prism of a fraction of judgments distorts the broad framework they create."

In other words, Negropointe is backing up my assessment - the NYT et. al. should not be making any sweeping conclusions.

eta: Why would Wonk or Ty deserve an apology?

Word! They should be apologising to us.