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Old 09-29-2006, 12:49 AM   #2356
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this may all be moot soon. RT is mulling over an offer for a bit more than $160. you'll know if she accepts when all the lefty posts that score points are suddenly deleted.....well all yours will still be up, so you might not notice.
Before you write that check, Hank, remember our bet on the Senate in November - I believe it was even up, who gains? You'll need to factor that in the next time you're thinking you haven't had a lap dance in a while.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:37 AM   #2360
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I don't exactly see how this refutes my point.
I don't disagree with you, amigo - but they do.

And according to their book, their god tells them so.

How do you reason with that? Even when we still have our heads.
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In the defense of a few, brave souls:

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A French philosophy teacher was under police protection Thursday after receiving death threats over an article he wrote in a national newspaper that accused Islam of "exalting violence", school and police officials said.
Robert Redeker has not attended classes at his secondary school near Toulouse in southern France since September 19, when his opinion column appeared in the right-wing daily Le Figaro.

"He received written death threats in the form of emails. On the face of it they were pretty serious," said the lycée's headmaster Pierre Donnadieu.

Police confirmed the threat but refused to comment on the protection Redeker is receiving.

Under the heading "In the face of Islamist intimidation, what must the free world do?", Redeker described the Koran as a "book of extraordinary violence" and Islam as "a religion which ... exalts violence and hate".

Likening Islam to Communism, he said that "violence and intimidation are the methods used by an expansionist ideology ... to impose its leaden cloak on the world".
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A Bangladeshi Muslim journalist arrested in the past for advocating ties with Israel now faces charges of sedition, a crime punishable by death in Bangladesh, and will likely be put on trial by the end of the month, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
In a court session on Tuesday in Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh, a state-appointed judge ruled that the government's case against Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury could proceed to trial and that the hearings would commence within 15 days.

As editor of The Weekly Blitz, an English-language newspaper published in Dhaka, Choudhury aroused the ire of Bangladeshi authorities after he printed articles favorable to Israel and critical of Muslim extremism.

Bangladesh does not recognize Israel's existence and refuses to establish diplomatic relations with the Jewish state.

In November 2003, Choudhury was arrested at Dhaka's international airport just prior to boarding a flight on his way to Israel, where he was scheduled to deliver an address on promoting understanding between Muslims and Jews. His visit to Israel would have been the first by a Bangladeshi journalist.

Choudhury was charged with sedition, held in prison for 17 months and was reportedly tortured before being freed in April 2005. But the authorities in Bangladesh, which is ruled by a coalition government that includes Islamic extremists, decided to continue pursuing charges against him.
The few that do dare speak up are abandoned by millions (if they exist, and I doubt it) "moderate" muslims to figuratively and literally hang out there by their necks. And the passive West either sits in silence, appeases these bastards (out of fear) or - in the worst case - openly supports them in an anti-American/anti-semitic/anti-Israeli rage.

The one nice thing about moving to San Fran is that I'm probably in the safest city in the US, next to Dearborn, MI and the NYT editorial offices.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:58 AM   #2362
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For American lives ---65

Alexander (R-TN)
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Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
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Carper (D-DE)
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Coburn (R-OK)
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Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
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Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)

Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)

Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)

Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

For the rights of foreign terrorists ---34

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
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Durbin (D-IL)
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PS - hyperbole aside, only 2 surprises - Rockefeller and Specter, given their incessant grandstanding
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I figure that's what happens whenever we agree.
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I don't disagree with you, amigo - but they do.

And according to their book, their god tells them so.

How do you reason with that? Even when we still have our heads.
I admit it's been a while. Back in college, in fact, but I've read their book. Have you?

If so, you would know that you, like the radical muslims, are citing to one small scrap, taken out of context. This is much the same as the "Christians" who quote the Bible as a condemnation of homosexuals.

You would also know that "their God" is the same as "our God."
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:44 AM   #2366
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I admit it's been a while. Back in college, in fact, but I've read their book. Have you?

If so, you would know that you, like the radical muslims, are citing to one small scrap, taken out of context. This is much the same as the "Christians" who quote the Bible as a condemnation of homosexuals.

You would also know that "their God" is the same as "our God."
He didn't read the NYT piece on the NIE, either.
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Old 09-29-2006, 12:40 PM   #2367
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I admit it's been a while. Back in college, in fact, but I've read their book. Have you?

If so, you would know that you, like the radical muslims, are citing to one small scrap, taken out of context.

Sure seem to be a lotta them radicals, huh?

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Suicide bombers follow Quran, concludes Pentagon briefing
Tasked with pinpointing motivation, analysts find
terrorists 'rational actors' following 'holy book'

With suicide bombings spreading from Iraq to Afghanistan, the Pentagon has tasked intelligence analysts to pinpoint what's driving Muslim after Muslim to do the unthinkable.

Their preliminary finding is politically explosive: it's their "holy book" the Quran after all, according to intelligence briefings obtained by WND.

In public, the U.S. government has made an effort to avoid linking the terrorist threat to Islam and the Quran while dismissing suicide terrorists as crazed heretics who pervert Islamic teachings.

"The terrorists distort the idea of jihad into a call for violence and murder," the White House maintains in its recently released "National Strategy for Combating Terrorism" report.

But internal Pentagon briefings show intelligence analysts have reached a wholly different conclusion after studying Islamic scripture and the backgrounds of suicide terrorists. They've found that most Muslim suicide bombers are in fact students of the Quran who are motivated by its violent commands – making them, as strange as it sounds to the West, "rational actors" on the Islamic stage.

In Islam, it is not how one lives one's life that guarantees spiritual salvation, but how one dies, according to the briefings. There are great advantages to becoming a martyr. Dying while fighting the infidels in the cause of Allah reserves a special place and honor in Paradise. And it earns special favor with Allah.

"Suicide in defense of Islam is permitted, and the Islamic suicide bomber is, in the main, a rational actor," concludes a recent Pentagon briefing paper titled, "Motivations of Muslim Suicide Bombers." Suicide for Allah a 'win-win'

"His actions provide a win-win scenario for himself, his family, his faith and his God," the document explains. "The bomber secures salvation and the pleasures of Paradise. He earns a degree of financial security and a place for his family in Paradise. He defends his faith and takes his place in a long line of martyrs to be memorialized as a valorous fighter.

"And finally, because of the manner of his death, he is assured that he will find favor with Allah," the briefing adds. "Against these considerations, the selfless sacrifice by the individual Muslim to destroy Islam's enemies becomes a suitable, feasible and acceptable course of action."

The briefing – produced by a little-known Pentagon intelligence unit called the Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA – cites a number of passages from the Quran dealing with jihad, or "holy" warfare, martyrdom and Paradise, where "beautiful mansions" and "maidens" await martyr heroes. In preparation for attacks, suicide terrorists typically recite passages from six surahs, or chapters, of the Quran: Baqura (Surah 2), Al Imran (3), Anfal (8), Tawba (9), Rahman (55) and Asr (103).

CIFA staffs hundreds of investigators and analysts to help coordinate Pentagon security efforts at U.S. military installations at home and abroad.
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I think it's happened once or twice before. It's nice to see it happen every so often, don't you think?
Yes, although each time it does, I look around to make sure the medics in white coats aren't coming to get me.
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I admit it's been a while. Back in college, in fact, but I've read their book. Have you?

If so, you would know that you, like the radical muslims, are citing to one small scrap, taken out of context. This is much the same as the "Christians" who quote the Bible as a condemnation of homosexuals.

You would also know that "their God" is the same as "our God."
Except their god was communicating to them through an alcoholic pedophillic hate mongering mouthpiece, who may have distorted the message.
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  • Rummy blasted in book

    Woodward rips secretary as clueless

    BY RICHARD SISK and HELEN KENNEDY
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS


    Author Bob Woodward writes of terror threats Team W ignored.


    Bob Woodward's much-anticipated new book paints a devastating picture of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as an arrogant, indecisive bumbler who won't take responsibility for his mistakes - or even admit any.
    The book, "State of Denial," says the Bush administration is hiding the truth about the worsening violence in Iraq. Rosy official forecasts are belied by secret intelligence predicting a strengthening insurgency and increasing daily attacks next year.

    A bleak accounting of mistakes and missteps before and after the Iraq invasion, the book lays much of the blame at Rumsfeld's feet.

    It reveals that former White House Chief of Staff Andy Card tried hard to get President Bush to boot Rumsfeld - but was pushed out himself.

    "I think he's done a fine job," Bush said of Rummy.

    The book says Card was bitter that he had to leave when "the man most responsible for the postwar trouble, the one who should have gone, was staying."

    Rumsfeld also clashed with then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, whose calls he sometimes wouldn't return when she wanted to know about war planning or troop deployments. Rumsfeld told her she was not in the chain of command.

    Woodward recounts in scathing tones two July interviews with Rumsfeld in which the author was left "speechless" by the defense secretary's blithe refusal to admit grim truths or take any responsibility for the carnage.

    Rumsfeld rejected the notion that he might bear any direct responsibility for mistakes that cost lives, suggesting he was "two or three steps removed."

    "How could he not see his role and responsibility? I could think of nothing more to say," Woodward writes.

    At one point Rumsfeld dismissed a question about the rapidly rising number of monthly insurgent attacks by saying the reporting of incidents was merely improving.

    And he affected not to know much about a May 24 intelligence report from the Joint Chiefs saying the violence would get much worse in 2007.

    "When was this? Gosh, I don't know," Rumsfeld told Woodward. "I read so many of those intelligence reports and they are all over the lot."

    Longtime Defense Department consultant Stephen Herbits blasted Rumsfeld's "counterproductive" leadership in a 2004 memo, calling him arrogant and "indecisive, contrary to popular image." He is suspicious, cautious, and avoids leaving his fingerprints on major decisions, Herbits wrote.

    Then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers, who chafed in Rumsfeld's endless meetings called him "that [S.O.B.]" or "that ass----."

    Publisher Simon & Schuster kept a tight lid on the contents before sales begin next week, but the Daily News bought a copy in a bookstore.

    In other revelations:

    In March, CENTCOM Commander Gen. John Abizaid went to see Rep. John Murtha, who drew the wrath of the White House by calling for a withdrawal of troops. According to Murtha, Abizaid held his thumb and forefinger a quarter-inch away from each other confided, "We're that far apart."

    Bush and Vice President Cheney - described as "increasingly removed from reality" - consult frequently with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who served President Richard Nixon during Vietnam.

    "Kissinger's fighting the Vietnam War again because, in his view, the problem in Vietnam was we lost our will," Woodward said.

    Bush is obsessed with "score cards" and body counts, even though veteran generals know the number of enemy dead says little about who's winning. "They killed three of ours, how many did we kill of theirs?" is the type of question Bush often asks the military.

    Bush's now infamous 2003 victory speech aboard the aircraft carrier was originally even more triumphant. Bush was going to declare "mission accomplished," not just stand in front of a banner saying so - but Rumsfeld said he toned it down.

    "I was in Baghdad and I was given a draft of that thing and I just died," he said. "They fixed the speech - but not the sign."

    In an interview about the book to be broadcast Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," Woodward charged that the White House and Pentagon were hiding the truth by classifying attack statistics as secret.

    The U.S. military reported 34 daily attacks in July, but Woodward charged that "it's getting to the point now where there are eight, 900 attacks a week. That's more than a hundred a day. That is four an hour attacking our forces."

    A senior Bush administration official, who hasn't read the book, said "The President has been very frank with the country about the challenges we face in the war on terror, how ruthless, violent and determined our enemy is."

    Woodward's two previous bestsellers on the Bush presidency were criticized by some for going easy on the White House.

    Bush would not be interviewed for the third book, and his staff was concerned its publication would affect the midterm elections, Woodward wrote.

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