Posting Towards Gomorrah - Page 171

Shape Shifter · 10-02-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. that's why I don't understand your side's serial obsession with each new scandal. you've already proven the "lie the country into war" thing- hell that's treason or worse even.

I agree. I eagerly await the criminal trials.

Spanky · 10-02-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Uh, Hastert knew about this guy in 2005.

Did he break any laws? What exactly did Hastert do that was so unequivocaly wrong and scandalous. If Foley were a Dem I think he would be fighting this and the Dems might even be circling the wagons around him.

Sidd Finch · 10-02-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I don't know about other people on this board, but I never said it was rape. But I have heard feminists make that argument about other similar cases. In addition, many feminists used to argue that a male having sex with a subordinate was automatically harassment. Funny how all those arguments disappeared after Clinton was serviced in the White House.

As far as I am concered the only laws Clinton broke was committing perjury and obstructing justice.

The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that you circle the wagons around your guys where we push ours right out. If Clinton were a Republican the party leadership would have demanded that he resign the second it was shown that the allegations were true.

Gingrich, Livingston etc. were all thrown out like trash when scandals came to light. This guy left Congress right away. If he were a Dem he would be trying to hold onto his seat.

Yes, you push them out WHEN THE SCANDAL COMES TO LIGHT. When you just know, and think it's a secret, that the guy is stalking little boys, that's a different story.

You're proud of this?

Spanky · 10-02-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What if it turned out that one of them lied to convince our nation to go to war?

eta: Is "smoking gun" code for something?

If you can't separate political propaganda from actual scandal then this conversation can't go anywhere.

Hank Chinaski · 10-02-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I agree. I eagerly await the criminal trials.

2. I'm hoping once in power the Dems revisit some of the business scandals of the past 5 or 6 years. Get a new round of Enron indictments for the next tier of the negligent gatekeepers. Hang em all i say.

Sidd Finch · 10-02-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What if it turned out that one of them lied to convince our nation to go to war?

eta: Is "smoking gun" code for something?

What if a guy in the Admin planned a war, but assumed that the populace would welcome us with flowers and sweets and so rejected any notion that the plan should include postwar planning -- and his view turned out to be absolutely, completely dead wrong?

Or if, in response to questions about the cost of the war, a guy in the Admin said the invaded country would pay for it -- and he turned out to be absolutely, completely dead wrong too?

Or if he declared the mission of the war accomplished, and 3 years later Americans were still dying in that war?

Yeah, Rs never circle the wagons. Or is incompetence a higher calling than fucking young boys in R-land?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-02-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Or is incompetence a higher calling than fucking young boys in R-land?

Oh, come now. Are you saying they can't accomplish two things at once?

Sidd Finch · 10-02-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
If you can't separate political propaganda from actual scandal then this conversation can't go anywhere.

Spanky's right. The stories about Iraqi WMD and connections to al Qaeda being "pretty well certain" were simply propaganda. We weren't supposed to believe it, therefore it's not really a scandal.

Spanky · 10-02-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, you push them out WHEN THE SCANDAL COMES TO LIGHT. When you just know, and think it's a secret, that the guy is stalking little boys, that's a different story.

You're proud of this?

When did I say I was proud of it? I am just talking about Political savvy. Republicans turn on their own much quicker than Democrats. A Republican sees someone elses scandal come to light and they think, this will reflect badly on me, get rid of him or her. Where the Dems back their guys to the bitter end. I think they get so caught up in partisanship they don't realize when it is better to eject one of their own. The Republicans, I think, should bounce guys even sooner, but they are much better about than the Dems.

Those emails came out and Foley was gone. I am pretty sure he wanted to fight it but he was told to walk. I don't think the Dems would have been that smart.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-02-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Or is incompetence a higher calling than fucking young boys in R-land?

He's been fucking young boys?

All I've seen is emails that are less salacious than 50% of the stuff on the FB. Not to say it's not of concern, but this isn't even blowjobs with a 19yo intern level stuff yet.

Spanky · 10-02-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
What if a guy in the Admin planned a war, but assumed that the populace would welcome us with flowers and sweets and so rejected any notion that the plan should include postwar planning -- and his view turned out to be absolutely, completely dead wrong?

Or if, in response to questions about the cost of the war, a guy in the Admin said the invaded country would pay for it -- and he turned out to be absolutely, completely dead wrong too?

Or if he declared the mission of the war accomplished, and 3 years later Americans were still dying in that war?

Yeah, Rs never circle the wagons. Or is incompetence a higher calling than fucking young boys in R-land?

The Rs circle the wagons when it comes to politics. I was talking about Scandals. These are not scandals. Like when Clinton screwed up Somalia. No one thought he should resign and the Dems stuck behind him.

And in this case the Rs didn't circle the wagons. I think the Dems would have.

Shape Shifter · 10-02-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He's been fucking young boys?

All I've seen is emails that are less salacious than 50% of the stuff on the FB. Not to say it's not of concern, but this isn't even blowjobs with a 19yo intern level stuff yet.

Have you read the IMs?

http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02-03b.pdf

Shape Shifter · 10-02-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The Rs circle the wagons when it comes to politics. I was talking about Scandals. These are not scandals. Like when Clinton screwed up Somalia. No one thought he should resign and the Dems stuck behind him.

And in this case the Rs didn't circle the wagons. I think the Dems would have.

How did Clinton screw up in Somalia?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-02-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
If you can't separate political propaganda from actual scandal then this conversation can't go anywhere.

There's room for both this election season.

Had Bush done whatever he felt he had to do to get us into a war where he had a strategy for succeeding and disengaging, the country would forgive him. Indeed, the country (and most of the Democrats in Congress) have given him plenty of support to pursue his war. Five years later, with minimal signs of success and with the situation worsening even in Afghanistan, his leadership is and should be questioned. The current leadership in the White House and Congress simply can't tell anyone what they've actually accomplished over the last five years.

Sidd Finch · 10-02-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He's been fucking young boys?

All I've seen is emails that are less salacious than 50% of the stuff on the FB. Not to say it's not of concern, but this isn't even blowjobs with a 19yo intern level stuff yet.

Do I make you horny? Cool.

Please, please, please -- let the Rs fall in line with you here, as they race to justify their failure to do anything about Foley. Because I suspect most people won't see this as innocent.

And no, I don't know if he ever succeeded in fucking any young boys. That just appears to be what he was after.

And I'm not sure comparing a congressman's direct email communication with a 16 yo to what adults and lawyers say on a chatboard makes a hell of a lot of sense. Especially a board where subjects such as double-anal penetration, rimjobs, and "earning your redwings" are standard topics of conversation.