Posting Towards Gomorrah

[andViolins]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No one tell President Bush, since he apparently is confused on the point and would rather foment such confusion, but the NJ court required civil unions, not gay marriage.

bush lied, gays aren't brides?

aV

[bilmore]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
nonsense. The court required gay marriage. It remanded back to the legislature to determine what to "call" it.

Well, from Volokh :

"The New Jersey court gave the state legislature 180 days to do one of two things: either (1) amend the state marriage laws to permit same-sex couples to marry or (2) create a parallel statutory system “which will provide for, on equal terms, the rights and benefits enjoyed and burdens and obligations borne by married couples.” This parallel system could be called “civil unions” (as in Vermont and Connecticut) or “domestic partnerships” (as in California) or something else. Under #1 the state will have fully met its constitutional obligation. Under #2 the state may meet its constitutional obligation but will invite further litigation on the issue. Litigants will get a second bite at the marriage apple."

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
nonsense. The court required gay marriage. It remanded back to the legislature to determine what to "call" it.

As for equal protection, when do unmarried cohabitating heterosexual couples now get these same benefits?

You* have the option of getting married, no?

*Assuming you're heterosexual

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
nonsense. The court required gay marriage. It remanded back to the legislature to determine what to "call" it.

Take it up with the New Jersey Supreme Court:

• The Court perceives plaintiffs' equal protection claim to have two components: whether committed same-sex couples have a constitutional right to the benefits and privileges afforded to married heterosexual couples, and, if so, whether they have a constitutional right to have their relationship recognized by the name of marriage. (pp. 19-21)

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I hear Limbaugh does the same thing.

No, Limbaugh lays ON the meds for dramatic effect. Apparently that's okay.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As for equal protection, when do unmarried cohabitating heterosexual couples now get these same benefits?

You're volunteering for alimony?

Shifter, I think he owes you from those years at Lamda Lamda Bamba.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by andViolins
bush lied, gays aren't brides?

aV

According to RT's post, he said:

"Yesterday, in New Jersey, we had another activist court issue a ruling that raises doubts about the institution of marriage."

Was he implying that the NJ court had allowed gay marriage? Hank probably would say so.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by bilmore
Call me a cynic, but I'm thinking that the cognitive dissonance involved in even forming the thought "come with me, dearest, and we will wed, in . . . New Jersey" is going to make this ruling one of sort of limited effect.

That was pretty much my brother's reaction. Spain and South Africa seem much more appealing in that context.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
Ya' know, I was reading that New Jersey opinion the other night at home, and I turned a page and accidently knocked my glass of milk over on the desk, in the TV room (where I guess we're not supposed to bring food and stuff) and so my wife got mad at me even though I cleaned it all up and I'm not sure if she's still even talking to me, so I guess I do have to agree now that gay marriage really does weaken traditional marriages.

I thought the ruling was that gay couples have to have the same "rights", but the majority left it to the legislature to decide whether that would be called a marriage or a civil union or something else.

No?

I found it interesting that the decision is unanimous. My understanding is that New Jersey has a long tradition of attempting to balance its Supreme Court, so that if a judge of a R background retires, a D governor will appoint an R replacement.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No one tell President Bush, since he apparently is confused on the point and would rather foment such confusion, but the NJ court required civil unions, not gay marriage.

Fuck. STP, Sidd, STP.

But Ty -- I highly doubt that Bush or the person who wrote the speech is confused.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
nonsense. The court required gay marriage. It remanded back to the legislature to determine what to "call" it.

As for equal protection, when do unmarried cohabitating heterosexual couples now get these same benefits?

When they walk down to City Hall and fill out a form. Is that too complicated for you?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I thought the ruling was that gay couples have to have the same "rights", but the majority left it to the legislature to decide whether that would be called a marriage or a civil union or something else.

No?

I found it interesting that the decision is unanimous. My understanding is that New Jersey has a long tradition of attempting to balance its Supreme Court, so that if a judge of a R background retires, a D governor will appoint an R replacement.

I don't think gay/anti-gay equates to Rs and Ds (I mean people not who pushes the issues).

the city of Detroit voted for Kerry at about 90% in a state he won by about 53%. meanwhile our "gay marriage ban" passed by about 60%, and in the City of Detroit by about 60%.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch


I found it interesting that the decision is unanimous. .

Wow, yeah. So much for the press accounts of 4-3. The three were dissenting from providing actual gay marriage, and merely allowing the legislature to consider it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

More lies about stem-cell research. Sorry: They're clearly implying all sorts of stuff that isn't true, right?

As Rep. Sherwood didn't already have enough problems.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
When they walk down to City Hall and fill out a form. Is that too complicated for you?

Yeah, well what of the rights of a boy and his dog?