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nononono · 11-13-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Other than the elderly, disabled and pregnant, the whole hierarchy thing is ridiculous. There are too many people riding the train to get up whenever someone else who falls under a protected seat class gets on. And depending on what you went through that day, you may be the one who needs the seat the most. That's why you get what you get.

TM

bullshit. On my worst day, pregnant and with packages, I'll always give up my seat for someone who looks worse off. It's just fucking nice. But anyway, once you take out the elderly, disabled and pregnant, who are you talking about who is left? Oh, "older" and "female." Well, again, that's a matter of being polite and part of civil society. People who ignore it make the world that much more irritating for everyone. Have you never seen the smiles that go around when someone gives up a seat (okay, I mostly rode the 5th Ave. bus to work, so maybe that's the issue) for somone else who just looks beat or struggling, or just even slightly more harried, female or "of a certain age"? Everyone feels better.

Flinty_McFlint · 11-13-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
bullshit. On my worst day, pregnant and with packages, I'll always give up my seat for someone who looks worse off. It's just fucking nice. But anyway, once you take out the elderly, disabled and pregnant, who are you talking about who is left? Oh, "older" and "female." Well, again, that's a matter of being polite and part of civil society. People who ignore it make the world that much more irritating for everyone. Have you never seen the smiles that go around when someone gives up a seat (okay, I mostly rode the 5th Ave. bus to work, so maybe that's the issue) for somone else who just looks beat or struggling, or just even slightly more harried, female or "of a certain age"? Everyone feels better.

Sexist pig.

nononono · 11-13-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Sexist pig.

Damn straight, and I expect you to be, too.

greatwhitenorthchick · 11-13-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
bullshit. On my worst day, pregnant and with packages, I'll always give up my seat for someone who looks worse off. It's just fucking nice. But anyway, once you take out the elderly, disabled and pregnant, who are you talking about who is left? Oh, "older" and "female." Well, again, that's a matter of being polite and part of civil society. People who ignore it make the world that much more irritating for everyone. Have you never seen the smiles that go around when someone gives up a seat (okay, I mostly rode the 5th Ave. bus to work, so maybe that's the issue) for somone else who just looks beat or struggling, or just even slightly more harried, female or "of a certain age"? Everyone feels better.

I think it's ridiculously old-fashioned to give up a seat to someone just because they are female. Not that I would comment on it in public or be rude about it though. But jesus, that's just "manners" taken to a ridiculous extreme.

patentparanyc · 11-13-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
bullshit. On my worst day, pregnant and with packages, I'll always give up my seat for someone who looks worse off. It's just fucking nice. But anyway, once you take out the elderly, disabled and pregnant, who are you talking about who is left? Oh, "older" and "female." Well, again, that's a matter of being polite and part of civil society. People who ignore it make the world that much more irritating for everyone. Have you never seen the smiles that go around when someone gives up a seat (okay, I mostly rode the 5th Ave. bus to work, so maybe that's the issue) for somone else who just looks beat or struggling, or just even slightly more harried, female or "of a certain age"? Everyone feels better.

I'm feeling you [HI Fringey!!!] it is all about giving up your seat for someone less fortunate than you....

In NY it is hard to tell which panhandlers are scams...one nekkid lady clothed only in a garbage bag was found to be a scam. But they still tug at my heartstrings....you lose that humaness if it doesn't...

Replaced_Texan · 11-13-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think it's ridiculously old-fashioned to give up a seat to someone just because they are female. Not that I would comment on it in public or be rude about it though. But jesus, that's just "manners" taken to a ridiculous extreme.

I tend to go with the flow on those sorts of old fashioned male vs. female things. Half the people in this building adhere to the archaic "women get off the elevator first" rule, the other doesn't. I just to get off the damned elevator. If that means that men stand aside so I can get off, so be it.

ETA: I fear that this, like sebby's post, is a rehash of a discussion years old. I apologize. But I also point out that BRC started it.

Paisley · 11-13-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
I like protein bars and such, and I like Kashi Go Lean cereal (crunch version), but the Kashi Go Lean bars are just nasty. This "peanut butter and chocolate" bar tastes like "carpet fiber and residual goo in the car door hinge."

The log ones are indeed nasty, but the crunchy ones are pretty good. Unless that's what you're talking about, in which case we will have to agree to disagree.

nononono · 11-13-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think it's ridiculously old-fashioned to give up a seat to someone just because they are female. Not that I would comment on it in public or be rude about it though. But jesus, that's just "manners" taken to a ridiculous extreme.

I like it (though I generally refuse unless I am in dire need - but that's not the point). I like the door being held for women, having chairs held out, men rising to greet a woman, and women going first off the elevator as well. And fwiw, I let older women go before me, too.

greatwhitenorthchick · 11-13-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
I like it (though I generally refuse unless I am in dire need - but that's not the point). I like the door being held for women, having chairs held out, men rising to greet a woman, and women going first off the elevator as well. And fwiw, I let older women go before me, too.

You are perhaps the greatest person the universe has ever known.

Bad_Rich_Chic · 11-13-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
But anyway, once you take out the elderly, disabled and pregnant, who are you talking about who is left? Oh, "older" and "female."

Now, I'd be happy in giving up the old "female" preference rules if only we could get people to actually stick to the modern "old, disabled & preggers" precedence categories. (I only mentioned a reversion to "ladies first" by way of penalty & punishment for the lapsed.) The problem isn't that women don't get to sit down, it is that the outdated system of gender precedence has been de facto replaced by ... nothing.

TM: I concur that determining who is more tired than you is entirely subjective and therefore can't be mandatory. Still, it's good to try, and hope that others will do the same when it's you coming off a 40 hour day. Generational distinctions can be tricky as well (witness 70-year old Russians in hotpants and face-spackling coming from brighton beach - well, that's not tricky but you get the point) and don't inherently imply weakness, but still. (Giving seats to families who can't otherwise corral and control their children is just basic self-preservation.)

In retiring the ladies precedence rules, however, I note that I am far from alone among women who find a man standing up when a woman (any woman) joins or leaves their table to be unbearably sexy. People get laid for less.

Patentpara - The fact that the staff is used to being treated like furniture (in the Soylent Green sense, I'd imagine) just reinforces my "lawyers suck ass" conclusions. Just because it's the way it is and people are used to it doesn't make it OK.

notcasesensitive · 11-13-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I tend to go with the flow on those sorts of old fashioned male vs. female things. Half the people in this building adhere to the archaic "women get off the elevator first" rule, the other doesn't. I just to get off the damned elevator. If that means that men stand aside so I can get off, so be it.

ETA: I fear that this, like sebby's post, is a rehash of a discussion years old. I apologize. But I also point out that BRC started it.

I'll join the rehashing to point out that the initial reason why Mr. Man and I clicked when we met was the we agreed that everyone should adhere to the LIFO method of elevator exitting. We are dorks.

ltl/fb · 11-13-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I tend to go with the flow on those sorts of old fashioned male vs. female things. Half the people in this building adhere to the archaic "women get off the elevator first" rule, the other doesn't. I just to get off the damned elevator. If that means that men stand aside so I can get off, so be it.

ETA: I fear that this, like sebby's post, is a rehash of a discussion years old. I apologize. But I also point out that BRC started it.

Even most people here adhere to the "women get off the elevator first" rule -- is it really that archaic? Where isn't it observed (in office buildings populated in large part by fairly highly paid professionals)? New York? DC? Chicago? SF?

ETA I mainly care that there is an understood rule. Because it's just massive confusion in crowded elevators making many stops when there isn't an understood rule.

nononono · 11-13-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Paisley
The log ones are indeed nasty, but the crunchy ones are pretty good. Unless that's what you're talking about, in which case we will have to agree to disagree.

No crunch in this one. No wonder they were sitting forlornly, off to one side on the energy bar display.

nononono · 11-13-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
You are perhaps the greatest person the universe has ever known.

Jinx! I was just thinking the same thing.

patentparanyc · 11-13-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Even most people here adhere to the "women get off the elevator first" rule -- is it really that archaic? Where isn't it observed (in office buildings populated in large part by fairly highly paid professionals)? New York? DC? Chicago? SF?

In NY, they always let the women get off first.

However, recently on my train I literally smashed into a guy since I arrogantly assumed that he would let me go since i'm a chick. He didn't and he screamed "excuse me!!!" cut me off and I slammed into him, since I was in the aisle and had the right of way and could not comprhend that he wasn't stopping for me. I hissed "You should have let me go" and he was so sheepish he didn't even turn around. Turd.

BadRichChic: you are "bad" still since you rail against the machine. I, on the other hand have been beaten figuratively into submission. I am but a cog in the wheel of the machine.