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ThurgreedMarshall · 11-13-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Jesus H. Christ. It's just good manners. Why should that become a huge political issue or something apparently so threatening? You sound insane - "Fuck you if you say I should give up my seat to someone just because they're fucking older than me...go suck a dick for saying so...." - okay, tough guy; if it hurts you so bad, then don't do it. Fucking Grinch. Geez.

No. It's not good manners. Good manners has little or nothing to do with your demands and expectations.

Criticizing your stupid set of rules on how to make you more comfortable does not make me tough. It makes me honest.

You getting all pissy about people who don't bend over backwards to accomodate your sexist and, frankly, stupid rules makes you sound like an idiot.

TM

greatwhitenorthchick · 11-13-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If I had a tight little ass, sexy eyes and set of tits, I'd have a corner office...

That is why all the corner offices are filled with hot chicks. This is perhaps the most brilliant observation of the day.

(although I am not discounting your observation that good looks can be an asset career-wise in some contexts).

patentparanyc · 11-13-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
No, you're actually sounding like a blowhard twirp because you're a) not reading what I wrote except to your own oppositional ends and b) going flipping nuts over this topic. If you're just going to have the conversation with yourself as you erase what I said and fill in the blanks yourself, then go for it. And continue to do as you do, but know you are rude and your heart is just 3 sizes too small.

Don't you get it? He goes out of his way to sound as unlikable and as damaged as possible on subjects like this....

nononono · 11-13-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Except the guy giving up the seat. You're as capable of standing as any man. I'll observed all rules of chivalry, but giving up a seat because you're a female is where I draw the line.

That said, if when I was single you were hot and I thought it might get me an introduction I could run with, you'd have a seat. Now that I'm hitched, fuck you.

Who am I kidding? If you're really fucking hot, I'll still give you a seat. The same way I'll cave and give you an extension on the discovery answers you owe me, or I'll agree to do the deposition at your office. Female litigators have no idea how much they can get away with if they'd put down the hardass "making it on their brains" posture and shake their moneymakers and flirt. You could pick my fucking pockets dry... Even hitched, no man can get icy with a flirty cute chick. If I had a tight little ass, sexy eyes and set of tits, I'd have a corner office...

Oh, absolutely, and the number of women with tight little asses, sexy eyes and sexy sets of tits occupying corner offices underscores your point.

And it's not about being capable or not. It's just about - being ridiculously old-fashioned and doing something nice just because doing so (being gracious and civil, in every sense) makes life and society a bit more pleasant than always trying to get the jump, or the better seat, or whatever.

Penske_Account · 11-13-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If I had a tight little ass, sexy eyes and set of tits, I'd have a corner office...

If nothing else, I'd invite you into mine....ahead of the 70plus year old....

ltl/fb · 11-13-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
No. It's not good manners. Good manners has little or nothing to do with your demands and expectations.

Criticizing your stupid set of rules on how to make you more comfortable does not make me tough. It makes me honest.

You getting all pissy about people who don't bend over backwards to accomodate your sexist and, frankly, stupid rules makes you sound like an idiot.

TM

Perhaps we can switch to discussing whose ass is most admired by elderly power-brokers (uncle-like or not)?

Hank Chinaski · 11-13-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
What about women who are obviously fat and perhaps potentially pregnant? One of the associates here said she rode her post-pregancy weight for as long as she could to get a seat on Muni. Do you offend the fat but not pregnant woman or give up a seat to a woman who's just fat but mostly belly fat?

depends on the wind direction. if giving a fat my seat would put me down wind of her I won't do it.

Penske_Account · 11-13-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
That is why all the corner offices are filled with hot chicks.

Yes, I am the exception that makes the rule......

nononono · 11-13-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
No. It's not good manners. Good manners has little or nothing to do with your demands and expectations.

Criticizing your stupid set of rules on how to make you more comfortable does not make me tough. It makes me honest.

You getting all pissy about people who don't bend over backwards to accomodate your sexist and, frankly, stupid rules makes you sound like an idiot.

TM

It's not "honest" to be an ass. Unless you are honestly an ass.

sebastian_dangerfield · 11-13-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
That is why all the corner offices are filled with hot chicks. This is perhaps the most brilliant observation of the day.

(although I am not discounting your observation that good looks can be an asset career-wise in some contexts).

Don't you mean brilliantest? The clear import of my observation was that were I armed with those attributes and my understanding of men (due to my experience as a hopelessly hormonally driven one), I would succeed in achieveing the corner office. I'm one sex change away from CEO anywhere.

ThurgreedMarshall · 11-13-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Yeah, it actually does, TM.

No, actually it doesn't. And I'm not just talking about New York. But I'm not going to argue about how rude and stupid people are generally. I will take issue with the fact that you think it's rude or bad manners when men don't give you special treatment because you're a woman.

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Originally posted by nononono
But ftr, I get about a 50% or less return in thanks when I stop my own stride to hold a door behind me while someone tries to catch up. It's still a good thing to do.

I do it every time and I rarely get a thank you. It is common courtesy. And I've found that almost every guy holds the door for the next person where something like 30% of the women do. And I believe they don't because they believe they shouldn't even have to touch the door because they're women.

And I always say thank you. But if you're in my way and fucking it up for everyone behind me because you're clueless, I can make "excuse me," sound like "fuck you."

TM

Penske_Account · 11-13-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Don't you mean brilliantest? The clear import of my observation was that were I armed with those attributes and my understanding of men (due to my experience as a hopelessly hormonally driven one), I would succeed in achieveing the corner office. I'm one sex change away from CEO anywhere.

You can blow your way to the top without the time, expense or hassle of the sex change.....or so Hank told me.

taxwonk · 11-13-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Just for the record, even before the "ladies first" rules were semi-officially retired (with a grandfathering clause until the death of any Boomers who might have been brough up on it) in about 1970, it did not apply to getting off elevators (or, it applied in that elevators were an exception, along with "ladies go down steps last" and other exciting variants). To think ladies get off elevators first is a mistake of a type that, in linguistics, is known as a "hyper-correction," not much different from using "I" as the object of a sentence because you vaguely remember to avoid "me" but don't really understand the rule. The rule for elevators didn't change when ladies first went the way of the dodo - those what are close to the door get off first. This is where etiquette meets basic common sense - and I note that if that wasn't the rule, everyone following the "rule" would still be stuck on some crowded elevator somewhere safely out of the way of the rest of us.
Yeah, sorry.

I want it noted for the record that I avoided beating the dead "perfect martini" horse. Although Bond clearly didn't know shit about how one is made.

greatwhitenorthchick · 11-13-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Jesus H. Christ. It's just good manners.

No, it's not. I don't think it is good manners to insult women by implying that they are not capable of standing up.

Bad_Rich_Chic · 11-13-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I agree and disagree. If someone is old enough to be my parent, I will consider giving them my seat. If someone is 10 years older than me, without extenuating circumstances, they can fucking forget it.

What pisses me off is that the expectation that women should be ushered through life with as much help and courtesy as possible is that it creates this attitude where many of them are completely fucking inconsiderate and rude. Again and again I run into women who push in front of you wherever you are because they believe it's somehow their right to be first. Or they don't push the revolving door. Or they don't hold the door for you when they've passed through it and you're behind them. Or they give you a dirty look if you don't give them your seat. Hell, 85% of them don't say thank you when you do do something nice for them because of this expectation. None of that shit is acceptable.

And you'll say that "a gracious woman who abides by the rules of polite society never takes the kindness of a gentlemen for granted and must always exhibit a smile and proffer a thank you" or something ridiculous like that, knowing that in reality it doesn't work that way.

TM

I don't think we disagree about anything. "Older generation" by definition means "old enough to be your parent." Standing up for a person 6 months older than you is known as sarcasm.

And as I've insisted, the gender-based precedence is no longer current, and it is absolutely not rude to practice the updated "precedence to elders (and disabled)" version instead. It is rude to fault someone for doing so, just as it is rude to fault someone for practicing the older gender-based version, since we are still in a transitional period. This does, admittedly, make things somewhat confusing, but such is the burden of our generation - and I don't waste much pity on us for it. What is rude is to take the lapse of old rules as an excuse to revert to "me first" and abandon all considerations for others.

A gracious woman who abides by the rules of polite society never takes the kindness of a gentlemen for granted and must always exhibit a smile and proffer a thank you. But I'd go much farther than that. A gracious person who abides by the rules of polite society never takes the kindness of another for granted and must always exhibit a smile and proffer a thank you. It doesn't work that way, frenquently, and you're right, none of that shit is acceptable.. The possibility, even likelihood, of rudeness does not excuse preemptive rudeness.

BR(pls do not take that preemptive stuff as a political analysis)C