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[Sparklehorse]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Leave bad feedback.

Unfortunately, I have already left positive feedback.

Thanks for the response though. I have looked on eBay's policies and know what to do next.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by dtb
How so?

I think maybe you mean "Admission of a Party" (if you're talking about the exception to the hearsay rule, which in the case of an admission by a party is really technically an exclusion, not an exception) or a "Statement Against Interest".

Yes. I'm outlining my BarBri notes at the moment. Why do you ask?

It's every bit as dull as I remembered.

What makes you think I practise law? Have you read any of my 50,000 posts on any of trhe common boards we frequent for content?

eta: I think this is what I meant:

an admission of the truth of a fact by any person, but especially by the parties to a lawsuit, when a statement obviously would do that person harm, be embarrassing, or be against his/her personal or business interests. Another party can quote in court an admission against interest even though it is only hearsay.

In a fiigurative sort of way, since none of the current conversations have anything to do with a court proceeding.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What makes you think I practise law? Have you read any of my 50,000 posts on any of trhe common boards we frequent for content?

eta: I think this is what I meant:

an admission of the truth of a fact by any person, but especially by the parties to a lawsuit, when a statement obviously would do that person harm, be embarrassing, or be against his/her personal or business interests. Another party can quote in court an admission against interest even though it is only hearsay.

In a fiigurative sort of way, since none of the current conversations have anything to do with a court proceeding.

I think that's a statement against interest, and I only think that because I watch a lot of Law and Order.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wrong. Bad grammar, (like poor spelling or boring conversation) used in such a way that makes it obvious the user will make the mistake again and again, subjecting themselves to additional ridicule and potential embarassment is the exact example of something that can be remedied before more damage is done.

TM

Concur that it will likely be repeated, however, I don't concur that it is likely to be correctable, particularly if it is a general pattern of bad usage rather than a rarity. The problem with bad grammar isn't so much that there is a limited series of corrections they need to learn - if that was it, they could pick up a book and sort it all out themselves, had they the desire. The real problem is that people who routinely make these errors haven't developed a habit of critically thinking through and editing what they are going to say before it comes out. That can't really be "corrected" by an outsider pointing out this mistake or that.

As for one of your other examples, boring conversation is a deeply ingrained disability, for which the only cure is either a vow of silence or years of hard training and practice (on immediate family members, not the unsuspecting public). Sufferers should be pitied not corrected.

The cure for bad spelling in someone out of their teens is spell check. Jr. associates giving you stuff with typos should be reintroduced to it forcefully. (Personal letters should be re-written longhand after being run through, of course.)

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think that's a statement against interest, and I only think that because I watch a lot of Law and Order.

Merde! I watch a lot of Law and Order too, but I am usually drinking wine so my retention is low.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think that's a statement against interest, and I only think that because I watch a lot of Law and Order.

We're now discussing rules of evidence, grammar, and the propriety of publicly correcting poor grammar.

You sure you won't reconsider your views on the "fucking a fat girl" thread?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Concur that it will likely be repeated, however, I don't concur that it is likely to be correctable, particularly if it is a general pattern of bad usage rather than a rarity. The problem with bad grammar isn't so much that there is a limited series of corrections they need to learn - if that was it, they could pick up a book and sort it all out themselves, had they the desire. The real problem is that people who routinely make these errors haven't developed a habit of critically thinking through and editing what they are going to say before it comes out. That can't really be "corrected" by an outsider pointing out this mistake or that.

I grew up in a pretty crappy neighborhood, and went to a horrible HS. My grammar and what writing skills I may have came together in college, but mostly in my first job.

When writing quickly I would sometimes mix up then and than. Once, after doing so in an email, someone sent me a clarifying response. I was glad he did, and have not made that mistake since.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I was always worried about poking my son in the eye.

You know, there are some cutting edge surgeons working on girth enhancement.

[Flinty_McFlint]

1. Woman with voicebox and stoma. She had to periodically clear her throat of phlegm. Through the stoma.

2. Bearded lady. We are not talking peach fuzz, but gnarly, long, wispy hair flowing from her face.

3. Haggard older pregnant lady in a sun dress. Who turned out to be either a transvestite or transexual non-pregnant lady in a sun dress when a passer-by asked for directions and got the shock of his life.

4. Familar poster "A".

5. Familar poster "B".

Can you guess the ranking from worst to first?

[nononono]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Concur that it will likely be repeated, however, I don't concur that it is likely to be correctable, particularly if it is a general pattern of bad usage rather than a rarity. The problem with bad grammar isn't so much that there is a limited series of corrections they need to learn - if that was it, they could pick up a book and sort it all out themselves, had they the desire. The real problem is that people who routinely make these errors haven't developed a habit of critically thinking through and editing what they are going to say before it comes out. That can't really be "corrected" by an outsider pointing out this mistake or that.

I would think that someone who habitually (for example) places "s"'s on the ends of words where they don't belong ("Barnes & Nobles," say, or "Victoria's Secrets"), or is stuck in pre-school pronunciations of things ("supposably") is not someone who is likely to find inspiration in a book. People who process what they read well (or pay close attention to it) aren't likely the same people making that sort of error, because if they were, they'd have more likely noticed along the way how the words are actually spelled and been able to carry that over into their own communication. But "hey, you did that thing again" at least has a fighting chance of creating a connection in the brain due to the immediate, practical demonstration of the error.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
No. Not at all. They are marriages that are either ending or ae, as one would expect, highly dysfunctional, however, to my understanding, in the ones that are ending, the lack of sex or other intimacy went on for a quite a while (read: years) preceding the split.

For the love of God, man, don't trample the rules of elementary grammar, its near imposible to read what you're writing without getting winded, and I care about what you post.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
1. Woman with voicebox and stoma. She had to periodically clear her throat of phlegm. Through the stoma.

2. Bearded lady. We are not talking peach fuzz, but gnarly, long, wispy hair flowing from her face.

3. Haggard older pregnant lady in a sun dress. Who turned out to be either a transvestite or transexual non-pregnant lady in a sun dress when a passer-by asked for directions and got the shock of his life.

4. Familar poster "A".

5. Familar poster "B".

Can you guess the ranking from worst to first?

I bet it is totally not what you'd expect.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Concur that it will likely be repeated, however, I don't concur that it is likely to be correctable, particularly if it is a general pattern of bad usage rather than a rarity. The problem with bad grammar isn't so much that there is a limited series of corrections they need to learn - if that was it, they could pick up a book and sort it all out themselves, had they the desire. The real problem is that people who routinely make these errors haven't developed a habit of critically thinking through and editing what they are going to say before it comes out. That can't really be "corrected" by an outsider pointing out this mistake or that.

Well then, I don't understand how your approach of politely asking someone to clarify how something is ironic is a solution to anything. It would seem to me that if someone is fucking something up and you tell them that they are doing it incorrectly, they probably won't do it that way again. If you try to be clever in the most subtle, yet superior way, your cleverness may go unnoticed or flat-out ignored.

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
As for one of your other examples, boring conversation is a deeply ingrained disability, for which the only cure is either a vow of silence or years of hard training and practice (on immediate family members, not the unsuspecting public). Sufferers should be pitied not corrected.

I've found that sufferers tend to get ignored instead. Although, this is more a product of the affliction and not a would-be cure.

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
The cure for bad spelling in someone out of their teens is spell check. Jr. associates giving you stuff with typos should be reintroduced to it forcefully. (Personal letters should be re-written longhand after being run through, of course.)

Spell check is one of the reasons for bad spelling. Since people who tend to rely too heavily on it tend to be lazy and let the tool do the work for them, they never learn how to properly spell words that are problematic for them.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by dtb
You missed the part about "any sandwich worth eating..."

Damn. That's nice.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by nononono
Let me repeat: I have been asked to do this. This does not make me 100% comfortable, however (insert nervous handwringing here)

I can solve this in one word. Decline.