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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Caddyshack II.

before he got married you know coltrane watched olsen twins movies on his roommate's tv. BUT he never admitted to it here. take a lesson.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
before he got married you know coltrane watched olsen twins movies on his roommate's tv. BUT he never admitted to it here. take a lesson.

I liked "Jade" and "Hudson Hawk."

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I liked "Jade" and "Hudson Hawk."

favorite quote from "Under the Cherry Moon?"

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

I'm Mike Huckabee, and I approved this message, because I believe most Americans want their next president to remind them of the guy they work with -- not the guy who laid them off.

Hank, you're supposed to keep us in touch with the pulse of the former Motor State. We need to hear about these things.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

President Bush, a year ago:

• A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.
  
  To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November. To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis. To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs. To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year. And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws, and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution.

Since then, almost 800 U.S. troops have died so that these things could fail to happen.

link

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
President Bush, a year ago:

• A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.
  
  To establish its authority, the Iraqi government plans to take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November. To give every Iraqi citizen a stake in the country's economy, Iraq will pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis. To show that it is committed to delivering a better life, the Iraqi government will spend $10 billion of its own money on reconstruction and infrastructure projects that will create new jobs. To empower local leaders, Iraqis plan to hold provincial elections later this year. And to allow more Iraqis to re-enter their nation's political life, the government will reform de-Baathification laws, and establish a fair process for considering amendments to Iraq's constitution.

Since then, almost 800 U.S. troops have died so that these things could fail to happen.

link

Compare Michael Yon, who, unlike Atrios, has spent the better part of the last 4 years in Iraq on the ground (and should truly win a Pulitizer for his work):

Media coverage of the war drew to a conclusion in many ways from that point forward. For most of the next two years, stories that illustrated the decline in security and unraveling of progress on the ground were widely reported, while those showcasing the pockets of progress, especially among the Iraqi security forces, were increasingly rare. So much so that when I finally succeeded in getting back into Iraq in late 2006, even I was truly amazed at the progress that had been made across Iraq with the training and management of Iraqi Army and Police forces.

There’s only a small group of writers who honestly spend enough time in Iraq to make serious claims based on firsthand accounts. But I’ve seen the Iraqi Army with my own eyes. I’ve done many missions in 2005 and 2007, in many places in Iraq, along with the Iraqi Army: please believe me when I say that, on the whole, the Iraqi Army is remarkably better in 2007 and far more effective than it was in 2005. By 2007, the Iraqis were doing most of the fighting. And . . . this is very important . . . they see our Army and Marines as serious allies, and in many cases as friends. Please let the potential implications of that sink in.

We now have a large number of American and British officers who can pick up a phone from Washington or London and call an Iraqi officer that he knows well—an Iraqi he has fought along side of—and talk. Same with untold numbers of Sheiks and government officials, most of whom do not deserve the caricatural disdain they get most often from pundits who have never set foot in Iraq. British and American forces have a personal relationship with Iraqi leaders of many stripes. The long-term intangible implications of the betrayal of that trust through the precipitous withdrawal of our troops could be enormous, because they would be the certain first casualties of renewed violence, and selling out the Iraqis who are making an honest-go would make the Bay of Pigs sell-out seem inconsequential. The United States and Great Britain would hang their heads in shame for a century.

Alternately, in an equation in which the outcome is a stable Iraq for which they (Iraqi Police and Army officials) are stewards, the potential benefits are equally enormous. Because if Iraq were to settle down, and then a decade passes and we look back and even our most severe critics cannot deny that Iraq is a better place, a generation of Iraq’s most important leaders would have deep personal bonds with their counterparts in America and Great Britain. This could actually happen. The ultimate irony is that many of those same people who would have gotten the blame likely would be getting the credit. But somehow I doubt there’d be as much of a circle-point to share the glory.

Read the whole entry - its worth it.

http://michaelyon-online.com/wp/mome...th-in-iraq.htm

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Compare Michael Yon, who, unlike Atrios, has spent the better part of the last 4 years in Iraq on the ground (and should truly win a Pulitizer for his work).

I've read Michael Yon enough to see the ups and downs of his work. But what he's talking about there is security. The point of the surge was to improve security to allow political progress, which is what President Bush was talking about a year ago in what I quoted. It hasn't happened. By the benchmarks set by the surge's proponents a year ago, it's been a failure. The pro-war crowd is now -- once again -- defining the benchmarks for success down to what's been accomplished.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
I've read Michael Yon enough to see the ups and downs of his work. But what he's talking about there is security. The point of the surge was to improve security to allow political progress, which is what President Bush was talking about a year ago in what I quoted. It hasn't happened. By the benchmarks set by the surge's proponents a year ago, it's been a failure. The pro-war crowd is now -- once again -- defining the benchmarks for success down to what's been accomplished.

And the pro-abandon crowd is completely ignoring what has been accomplished.

[Hell, they've stopped talking about Iraq entirely, since it is no longer all gloom and doom]

So where's the middle?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
My candidate nearly came in third, yet spent no time in New Hampshire in the last 10 weeks.

If he's floundering after Florida, then talk to me.

--
Speaking of candidates, where's your boy Kucinich?

So if Fruitcake manages to take Florida, Huckabee gets S. Carolina, Michigan gets split three ways, and everyone ignores Nevada, SuperTuesday could be a lot of fun on the R side.

How many silvers can Romney take and stay in it? Is there any way to revive Fred Thompson? And when will Ron Paul win a state?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And the pro-abandon crowd is completely ignoring what has been accomplished.

[Hell, they've stopped talking about Iraq entirely, since it is no longer all gloom and doom]

So where's the middle?

Hillary.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Colbert selected as running mate

I think Huckabee wins the "which candidate would you like to have dinner with" contest. Only question is: does he have any objection to a few shots of Johnny Walker with the appetizer?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So if Fruitcake manages to take Florida, Huckabee gets S. Carolina, Michigan gets split three ways, and everyone ignores Nevada, SuperTuesday could be a lot of fun on the R side.

How many silvers can Romney take and stay in it? Is there any way to revive Fred Thompson? And when will Ron Paul win a state?

who is fruitcake? was Romney's dad a mormon, because he ran for Prez and I don't think anyone made an issue of it, or did they?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
who is fruitcake? was Romney's dad a mormon, because he ran for Prez and I don't think anyone made an issue of it, or did they?

Go to youtube and search "giuliani fruitcake" and see the video. It's his attempt to soften his image. Got to see it to believe it.

I have no idea what the issues were when George Romney ran - is Bilmore around? He might remember.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

if romney had been thinking he'd have married 5 or 6 women. then he could have a wife all over each state. there is no way to cover all of western michigan with 1 candidate and 1 spouse.