Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Yeah. Who knew? Sometimes you are adversarial for seemingly no fucking reason at all. Have you ever had a conversation in which you didn't try to prove how right you are? Or do you just enjoy sounding like a dick all the time.

I am giving you and everyone else more background than the 6 tweets discussed here. He seems like a pretty interesting, smart guy. Wait. I know, I know. You don't care and don't have time, even though you've responded I don't know how many times now. Exasperating.

TM

On the first paragraph, I'm not being adversarial, I'm just suggesting that maybe you overlooked something I said, and that as a result your criticism was misplaced.


On the second, see my last post, I was watching his videos while you were writing it. It's like ray-ay-aynnnn, on your wedding day! (I also read the article you posted, and was jokingly noting that it made --- much more eloquently -- a point I was trying to make. I thought it was obvious that I at least read the article, but apparently not.)


eta: If you get all angry at me about this post, I will either give up completely, or try to copy your non-adversarial, non-dickish tone. I'm trying to have a discussion, not an argument, but for some reason that doesn't seem possible with you, on this particular topic.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Iran deal seems to beat expectations on every front.

I'm betting that really pisses off a certain 47 Senators.

I'm actually kind of bummed the world is keeping non-nuclear sanctions in place, even if that is a purported "victory" in the negotiations. I tend to think our best weapon in reforming anyplace and encouraging regime change or moderation is capitalism. Along which lines, I'm betting the Castros soon start wondering why they ever wanted the US to lift sanctions.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Iran deal seems to beat expectations on every front.

I'm betting that really pisses off a certain 47 Senators.

I'm actually kind of bummed the world is keeping non-nuclear sanctions in place, even if that is a purported "victory" in the negotiations. I tend to think our best weapon in reforming anyplace and encouraging regime change or moderation is capitalism. Along which lines, I'm betting the Castros soon start wondering why they ever wanted the US to lift sanctions.

You'll feel differently when you wake up in the smoldering ruins of Boston, next to Michelle Bachmann.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

You'll feel differently when you wake up in the smoldering ruins of Boston, next to Michelle Bachmann.

We're sending her to Massachusetts? Sweet!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

You'll feel differently when you wake up in the smoldering ruins of Boston, next to Michelle Bachmann.

Along which lines, anyone else see the rumor that Michelle Bachmann's husband was refused service in Indiana for being gay?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

We're sending her to Massachusetts? Sweet!

We know how to convert the homophobes here.

Our formerly rabidly anti-marriage equality lieutenant governor, once the darling of the local fundies, will be presiding at the gay wedding of our Senate President next month.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Watched the last of those videos, and a couple of others that showed up. He's pretty damn funny, and the take of a South African on a show about US politics should be interesting.

Plus, he speaks so well.

This joke is never not funny because it can't be made as a joke without full recognition of how stupid it is to say.

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

eta: given your last post, and the fact that you're reading my posts as being adversarial and confrontational when I really don't intend them to be, I considered editing to delete that last joke, because I think you will see it as intentionally offensive and not as a joke that riffs off of one of Noah's videos. But, I decided not to be such a pussy. If you're offended and decide I'm being a racist, I'm sorry but I'll add it to the list of posts on this subject that you are taking as an attack when they are not.

I am not offended. I was confused when you said, "So.... his culture and background may have influenced his comedy, in a way that may or may not translate well to the Daily Show? Huh, who would have guessed?" Considering the fact that I was pointing out his background in that very same post and your random conversation with Sebby about how his fat jokes, Jewish jokes, and violence against women jokes may go over well with a South African crowd* because they may have a different sense of humor, it sure seemed like you were being a dick.

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

On the first paragraph, I'm not being adversarial, I'm just suggesting that maybe you overlooked something I said, and that as a result your criticism was misplaced.

On the second, see my last post, I was watching his videos while you were writing it. It's like ray-ay-aynnnn, on your wedding day! (I also read the article you posted, and was jokingly noting that it made --- much more eloquently -- a point I was trying to make. I thought it was obvious that I at least read the article, but apparently not.)

eta: If you get all angry at me about this post, I will either give up completely, or try to copy your non-adversarial, non-dickish tone. I'm trying to have a discussion, not an argument, but for some reason that doesn't seem possible with you, on this particular topic.

We are clearly talking past each other, because you seem to be repeating my exact thoughts about your posts back to me.

Kumbafuckinya, homie.

TM

*Yeah. Maybe this wasn't your point, but given how this conversation evolved, I plead extreme confusion.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

I am so looking forward to the readout from this call: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-call-netanyahu-iran-deal

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

This joke is never not funny because it can't be made as a joke without full recognition of how stupid it is to say.

I am not offended. I was confused when you said, "So.... his culture and background may have influenced his comedy, in a way that may or may not translate well to the Daily Show? Huh, who would have guessed?" Considering the fact that I was pointing out his background in that very same post and your random conversation with Sebby about how his fat jokes, Jewish jokes, and violence against women jokes may go over well with a South African crowd* because they may have a different sense of humor, it sure seemed like you were being a dick.

We are clearly talking past each other, because you seem to be repeating my exact thoughts about your posts back to me.

Kumbafuckinya, homie.

TM

*Yeah. Maybe this wasn't your point, but given how this conversation evolved, I plead extreme confusion.

Kumbaya yourself, bitch.

Seriously, and without trying to argue -- I think it certain that fat jokes or Jewish jokes or even violence against women jokes go over better in some places than they do in 2015 in the US.

Why is this certain? Because we can all think of jokes that went over a lot better 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, that would not go over very well today. For many reasons -- because people are more sensible, sensitive, or just jaded -- depending on the joke or the audience.

BUT -- Is South Africa of 2015 a place where fat/Jewish/violence against women jokes go over better than here? I have no fucking clue. I was trying to get past the tweets "issue" to talk about how his different background may have affected his comedy. Will that make TDS better or worse? I don't know, (and the answer probably depends on who you ask and on what day). But it will certainly make the show different -- which is a good thing, because having someone try to do a Jon Stewart imitation would suck, and just giving the show to one of the people who occasionally hosted it would also, I think, make for a sucky show.

A man born and raised in South Africa, of mixed race, who was 11 when Mandela came to power, is necessarily going to bring some things to the table that were not there before. That will include good things (different perspective, like some of his videos show), and some risky things (less "sensitivity" to certain boundaries, as others of his videos show -- but which were funny and worth that risk, IMO). So, it'll be interesting.



Plus, he can do that cool click when he says Xhosa. I've been to South Africa, and also Zimbabwe, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't get that right. It's really cool when someone does it right -- it sort of echoes even as they get to the next word or two.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Kumbaya yourself, bitch.

Seriously, and without trying to argue -- I think it certain that fat jokes or Jewish jokes or even violence against women jokes go over better in some places than they do in 2015 in the US.

Why is this certain? Because we can all think of jokes that went over a lot better 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, that would not go over very well today. For many reasons -- because people are more sensible, sensitive, or just jaded -- depending on the joke or the audience.

BUT -- Is South Africa of 2015 a place where fat/Jewish/violence against women jokes go over better than here? I have no fucking clue. I was trying to get past the tweets "issue" to talk about how his different background may have affected his comedy. Will that make TDS better or worse? I don't know, (and the answer probably depends on who you ask and on what day). But it will certainly make the show different -- which is a good thing, because having someone try to do a Jon Stewart imitation would suck, and just giving the show to one of the people who occasionally hosted it would also, I think, make for a sucky show.

A man born and raised in South Africa, of mixed race, who was 11 when Mandela came to power, is necessarily going to bring some things to the table that were not there before. That will include good things (different perspective, like some of his videos show), and some risky things (less "sensitivity" to certain boundaries, as others of his videos show -- but which were funny and worth that risk, IMO). So, it'll be interesting.

Plus, he can do that cool click when he says Xhosa. I've been to South Africa, and also Zimbabwe, and no matter how much I tried I couldn't get that right. It's really cool when someone does it right -- it sort of echoes even as they get to the next word or two.

Agreed.

But someone is going to need to tell him that if he tries to make The Daily Show too international, he's going to fail. Even the informed liberals in this country don't really give a shit about anyplace else in the world (although John Oliver has done a great job informing people despite that fact). Keep going after the crazy ass conservatives in this country.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opi...n_kenya_attack

Why? I understand why we get blown up. I understand why cartoonists get murdered. I do not get why it advances radical Islam to kill people in a college in Kenya.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opi...n_kenya_attack

Why? I understand why we get blown up. I understand why cartoonists get murdered. I do not get why it advances radical Islam to kill people in a college in Kenya.

Really, really disturbing and depressing.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Probably preaching to the choir here, but I really don't get why other people (and especially the media) are so quick to accept the notion that conservatives' religion somehow compels them to tell other people how to act. Maybe they should read Matthew, Chapter 7.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Probably preaching to the choir here, but I really don't get why other people (and especially the media) are so quick to accept the notion that conservatives' religion somehow compels them to tell other people how to act. Maybe they should read Matthew, Chapter 7.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Because Leviticus said "What Matthew said, but not for faggots"?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Because Leviticus said "What Matthew said, but not for faggots"?

Pro tip: Old Testament came first.