Objectively intelligent.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

A high school friend managers a Chilli's-like restaurant in Augusta Georgia. It NEVER shut down. It has been operating at 33% seating. And it is always packed. W/O shut down orders people will be driving to get one of those seats. And maybe that is safe given the lower population density.

If you don't mean restaurants (which is Phase 1 re-opening from I read) what less restrictions do you mean?

The next month is going to make it very clear that precautions matter and density does not. Red American is going into a very painful time, made worse by their leaders abandoning them.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

The next month is going to make it very clear that precautions matter and density does not. Red American is going into a very painful time, made worse by their leaders abandoning them.

Very true. Hong Kong and Tokyo are pretty fucking dense. Tokyo has more people than NY and 2% of the Covid cases. HK has slightly fewer and has .05% of the cases.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Very true. Hong Kong and Tokyo are pretty fucking dense. Tokyo has more people than NY and 2% of the Covid cases. HK has slightly fewer and has .05% of the cases.

And true to that I just got an email from the head of my firm:

"A committee has been tasked and is working diligently to prepare for a time when our offices may begin to gradually re-open."

Couple that with this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/t...gtype=Homepage

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

First, there was a study out of China that noticed people with O blood type did better than those with A or B or AB. There was actually a laddering of severity established based on blood type. Correlation, of course. But that's all we've got.

I don't know the study, but what you've said is not inconsistent with a genetic basis, but hardly a strong sign of it.

Then you have the gross statistics about who's done well and who's done poorly. The big story is the old and the compromised do badly and a few of the young and healthy also do badly. What's not discussed is that a lot of old and unhealthy people do quite fine with it.

Please note: Everything you say in this paragraph suggests that non-genetic factors are much more important, the opposite of what you were suggesting.

Finally, you have the fact that different groups of people have different sets of presentations. They've teased out data showing common responses from diarrhea to pinkeye to fever that tend to run together. (I forget the typical groupings found). This would suggest that the virus has different impacts on people regardless of health, age, etc. That could only be genetic.

No, quite the opposite. It could just be that the disease takes a different course in different people for non-genetic reasons.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Please note: Everything you say in this paragraph suggests that non-genetic factors are much more important, the opposite of what you were suggesting.



No, quite the opposite. It could just be that the disease takes a different course in different people for non-genetic reasons.

Perhaps I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. Where the old and sick survive and the young die, co-morbidities apparently are not relevant. Something else must be at work. Assume an 88 year old sails thru this with no impact save a cold. (I know of this.). This person is in the category of those who should be physically unable to resist infection and do well following infection. He must have some unique defense to it. Something in his genetic background that rendered him robust to it exists. But what? Who knows?

It’s a process of elimination. Physically, he’s not strong. At his age, his immune system is weak. Something else is at play. I cannot deduce a stronger answer to fill in that blank than genetics.

As to your second point, it could be. That smoking appears to confer protection proves a random thing you ingest or eat could be the reason. But that seems facially far less likely than some quirky advantage conferred thru genetics.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I am astonished people desire to risk getting this miserable virus just to eat in a restaurant.

I shop for food and booze regularly. I'll have drinks with friends at 6 ft distance. I fixed a gutter with a buddy yesterday while observing distancing. I walk through my wife's health care facility and have interacted with doctors and patients while distancing. These are largely necessary.

It isn't terribly hard to be responsible here.

I miss eating in restaurants as much as the next guy, and I feel terrible for people who own them. But there's this thing you can do which is kind of like a restaurant... It's called cooking.

If you are so hard up to eat in a restaurant that you'll drive 100 miles and risk getting sick, you need your fucking head examined. It could in fact be argued that the demise of someone with judgment as bad as yours is a positive feature rather than a downside to this disease. My guess is, you aren't going to be curing any diseases or writing the great American novel any time soon.

These are the idiotic rich people in my town.

A hostess dressed in black stood outside of Steak 48 on Friday night holding an iPad. “Do you have a reservation?” she asked each approaching party.

Last weekend, entry into the popular River Oaks District steakhouse required advance planning. Dinner reservations sold out within 15 minutes of Gov. Greg Abbott’s April 27 announcement that the state would begin reopening May 1, said chief branding officer Oliver Badgio. The restaurant is virtually sold out for the next two weeks.

For those lucky enough to snag a table, Friday’s newly adjusted dining experience felt as much like the days before coronavirus as could be expected.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Perhaps I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. Where the old and sick survive and the young die, co-morbidities apparently are not relevant. Something else must be at work. Assume an 88 year old sails thru this with no impact save a cold. (I know of this.). This person is in the category of those who should be physically unable to resist infection and do well following infection. He must have some unique defense to it. Something in his genetic background that rendered him robust to it exists. But what? Who knows?

No, that's just wrong. It is common for a disease to affect different people differently, but that doesn't mean that the reason is genetic. "Something else is at work," yes, but it doesn't mean that it is something in someone's genetic background.

Something else is at play. I cannot deduce a stronger answer to fill in that blank than genetics.

This may be true, but it is a description of your deductive abilities, not the significance of genetics.

As to your second point, it could be. That smoking appears to confer protection proves a random thing you in jest or eat could be the reason. But that seems facially far less likely than some quirky advantage conferred thru genetics.

There is so much that is beyond comprehension about why people do or don't die in individual circumstances. Saying "it must be genetics" is as rational and explanative as saying "it must be God's will," but if it makes you feel better, go nuts.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Here’s an article re: genetics: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...PFaL4dlUZ-lrU#

By the way, I misspoke. The blood type laddering is in regard to likelihood of infection, not severity post infection. (See link within article.). Though this could be misleading, as it might be that type O carriers aren’t registering as infected as much because many are infected but simply do not have any symptoms due to protective genetics correlated with O blood and therefore never get tested.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

For Ty:

https://www.healtheuropa.eu/ai-preci...k-genes/99851/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...u-to-covid-19/

https://www.wired.com/story/why-does...ask-their-dna/

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...covid-19-67435

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-in-your-genes

https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tec...vid-19/165240/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yo...ter-2020-05-05

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You’ve assumed a truly unlettered and anti-science posture here. And I think you suspect an argument I am very much not making. Stop. Read the article I subsequently posted.

I think we mostly all mainly agree that I am the only one here competently educated to discuss science. I’m working on a ladder of the rest of you and how your rudimentary understanding of science rank relative to each other. I’m not yet finished, but suffice to say you are way ahead of Ty.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Here’s an article re: genetics: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...PFaL4dlUZ-lrU#

By the way, I misspoke. The blood type laddering is in regard to likelihood of infection, not severity post infection. (See link within article.). Though this could be misleading, as it might be that type O carriers aren’t registering as infected as much because many are infected but simply do not have any symptoms due to protective genetics correlated with O blood and therefore never get tested.

That is possible. It is also possible that Undead Cthulhu is using fantastical powers to protect people with type O blood as part of His plan to return to our world and rule over us.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

No, that's just wrong. It is common for a disease to affect different people differently, but that doesn't mean that the reason is genetic. "Something else is at work," yes, but it doesn't mean that it is something in someone's genetic background.



This may be true, but it is a description of your deductive abilities, not the significance of genetics.



There is so much that is beyond comprehension about why people do or don't die in individual circumstances. Saying "it must be genetics" is as rational and explanative as saying "it must be God's will," but if it makes you feel better, go nuts.

Read the links. I expect better than unlettered and irrational replies from you.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

eta: You changed your post after I responded to it, so whatever.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That is possible. It is also possible that Undead Cthulhu is using fantastical powers to protect people with type O blood as part of His plan to return to our world and rule over us.

Read the links.

Or I’ll commit to replying to everything you write with a study on genetic background effect on Covid symptoms and acquisition until this thing is over.

There are enough to do so.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

eta: You changed your post after I responded to it, so whatever.

Those articles aren’t conflating science and genetics. They are discussing genetic factors in severity and acquisition of Covid.