Objectively intelligent.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

One thing that has bothered me for a long time from a privacy perspective is the welfare check. There are a lot of instances when I'd love to authorize our people to call for a welfare check on either a student or a patient, but I don't because the only avenue is calling law enforcement, and there are very proscribed rules in both HIPAA and FERPA for disclosing protected information to law enforcement. Most of the time the law enforcement exceptions do not apply, because the threat is not imminent. If there were a crisis intervention welfare agency that could do those sorts of checks, it'd benefit our populations greatly.

There are so many things we shove over to law enforcement that they're not really the best people to do. We run and staff the psych hospital. So many of our patients come from someone having called the police because someone was acting erratic or otherwise off. Some of them are event violent. But the criminal justice system is not equipped to handle them.

There are something like 18 overlapping police departments in the med center. I've never really understood why so many are necessary, especially the forces for private entities like the Med Center itself or Rice University. One of my closest friends, a Ph.D, in economics from Cal Tech and an undergrad in math from Harvard, was hauled to jail by one of the Med Center cops after she rolled a stop sign and didn't pull over fast enough for the cop's liking. I think the charge was "evading arrest" in a fucking parking garage. I'm sure that her brown skin had absolutely nothing to do with it. Cop was so irritated with her he called her boss in some sort of misguided effort to get her fired. They're fucking mall cops with arrest power, and they are itching to use it. A lot of them end up on the smaller forces when they can't cut it in the bigger forces.

c.f. If you live in Detroit near Wayne State University and you have trouble, first you call Wayne State Police THEN you call Detroit Police. Detroit may come, but almost always after Wayne gets there. I have no idea how Campus police have any jurisdiction off campus- maybe because the area is heavily students. I've heard that many times from non-student residents of the area.

But otherwise my memory of Michigan State U Campus police, is Mall cops with guns, agree. The fucks would sit in parking lots near bars and follow cars after last call until they turned onto campus then lights!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I read the article you cited. Here's the TL;DR for anyone interested:

"I think Cotton's article should not have been given a platform at the Times. We should have people who share my sensibilities limit what gets on the Oped page."

It's just another asshole with an inflated sense of self-enlightenment, and entitlement, declaring himself a brahmin who ought to have editorial powers over the public square. The article offered no insight. I should have gone with "I want my 3 minutes back" rather than treat it seriously.

You are more interesting when you're not a moron. (And thank you for confirming that you hadn't read it when you first responded, like Bennet not having read Cotton's op-ed when the NYT was sanctimoniously telling people how important it is to be exposed to other views.)

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You are more interesting when you're not a moron. (And thank you for confirming that you hadn't read it when you first responded, like Bennet not having read Cotton's op-ed when the NYT was sanctimoniously telling people how important it is to be exposed to other views.)

You misread me. I meant I had read prior to my first response.

As I said, not insightful in the least.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

c.f. If you live in Detroit near Wayne State University and you have trouble, first you call Wayne State Police THEN you call Detroit Police. Detroit may come, but almost always after Wayne gets there. I have no idea how Campus police have any jurisdiction off campus- maybe because the area is heavily students. I've heard that many times from non-student residents of the area.

But otherwise my memory of Michigan State U Campus police, is Mall cops with guns, agree. The fucks would sit in parking lots near bars and follow cars after last call until they turned onto campus then lights!!!

I work really closely with campus police, and it's a benefit and a curse. Quick response, established relationships, etc. But also, things we'd rather not escalate they might.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You misread me. I meant I had read prior to my first response.

As I said, not insightful in the least.

Seriously -- he's not even talking about what you think he's talking about. Why pretend to read something you haven't?

If you were the editor of the NYT, would you have chosen run Cotton's op-ed piece?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Seriously -- he's not even talking about what you think he's talking about. Why pretend to read something you haven't?

If you were the editor of the NYT, would you have chosen run Cotton's op-ed piece?

Fuck yes. People need to know how crazy that mofo is.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you were the editor of the NYT, would you have chosen run Cotton's op-ed piece?

If I were the editor of the NYT, you would certainly not have my contact information. Who would you turn to for all the free legal advice?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Fuck yes. People need to know how crazy that mofo is.

Paigow called, she wants you to change your avatar. TIA

[Icky Thump]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY

Just note there are trends toward police departments that deescalate rather than just crack heads.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ice-department

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY

Just note there are trends toward police departments that deescalate rather than just crack heads.

I just opened the top link and it said "this is your last free article." WTF, man you should have made that one count more.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Fuck yes. People need to know how crazy that mofo is.

So run a news story. The headline writes itself: Sen. Cotton Is A Crazy Mofo.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

what is a public safety system, and how does it differ from police? how does Minneapolis transition? What if someone breaks in your house armed during the transition?

over the years several police forces have been put under Fed scrutiny, Detroit's included. One major change was to make the racial make up, especially in command positions, look like the community. Minneapolis's police does not look like the community.

There’s a ton out there you could read. But factually, I think the MPD is fairly diverse already.

If someone breaks into your house, armed, then send the armed police. But, first, that happens pretty rarely, and, second, they likely won’t get there before the burglars are gone anyway (unless it’s an even more rare hostage situation. What actually happens some is that someone breaks into your apartment while you were gone and the responding officer is going to come and write a report on it. Does that need a person with a gun?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

So run a news story. The headline writes itself: Sen. Cotton Is A Crazy Mofo.

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

That was the point of my reply. That asshole assumed he has the right to decide what is and isn’t in the sphere of deviancy.

I say let a crazy opinion be shot down by readers. I’d have run Cotton’s Oped all day long, and also run the stupid article you cited, so people could shoot that down as well.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Who the fuck are you to decide that?

Dude, my question was, what would you do if you were the editor? Do you read at a first-grade level?

That was the point of my reply. That asshole assumed he has the right to decide what is and isn’t in the sphere of deviancy.

I say let a crazy opinion be shot down by readers. I’d have run Cotton’s Oped all day long, and also run the stupid article you cited, so people could shoot that down as well.

If you're running a newspaper, you have to make choices. If you go out and ask Cotton to write up his crazy views, you can't run something else. If you only have a small section in the paper and you have to choose -- like, if you're the editor -- then why would you run Cotton's piece instead of something else? Stop rejecting the idea that you have to make choices -- that's what editors do.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Seriously -- he's not even talking about what you think he's talking about. Why pretend to read something you haven't?

If you were the editor of the NYT, would you have chosen run Cotton's op-ed piece?

I read it, and I read Cotton’s piece, and I offered my reaction to both. You seem confused. And you do this a lot lately. You offer something, and when someone reacts to it in a manner that doesn’t fall into the debate you want to have, you whine and attack.

The article clearly made the argument, which you’ve acknowledged, that Cotton’s piece should not have been run as an Oped because the ideas raised in it are dangerous and some facts in it are inaccurate. Its facts should have been better vetted. But as to the dangerousness of its prescriptions? Well, that’s for the audience to decide. Not some ass like the author of the piece you cited (or you) who thinks he knows best what the audience should be allowed to consider.