Fashion Board 2-3-04 to 3-5-04

[Fugee]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Go ahead and eat that rotting corpse in front of me

Y'all need to eat at better restaurants. I prefer my corpses to be not rotten.

So what would you say if instead of dry wedding receptions, Sebby was ranting about the inconsiderate vegetarians who won't serve meat dishes at their wedding reception. Isn't it pretty much the same thing?

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Fugee
Should an ardent vegetarian have to offer steak as one of the entrees at the reception?

Um, I thought the answer here was "yes." Am I wrong? I thought the idea was that the hostess is supposed to be entertaining her guests..you know, taking care of their needs.

I know that most people are "meaties" and I wouldn't think to impose my fairly strict "veggie" beliefs on them so I always offer a wide array of food.

I also offer many types of alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages. I wouldn't presume that everyone wants to drink Bud -- although for the life of me I cannot understand why.

If it was just all about what I like to eat and drink why bother to invite other people at all? I would be a heck of a lot easier to forego the party and just sit on the couch eating caulflower and sucking down Budweisers. Cheaper too.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Fugee
Y'all need to eat at better restaurants. I prefer my corpses to be not rotten.

So what would you say if instead of dry wedding receptions, Sebby was ranting about the inconsiderate vegetarians who won't serve meat dishes at their wedding reception. Isn't it pretty much the same thing?

Yes. This is why I always offer my guests many non-veggie dishes. And I never comment about it when people eat meat in front of me. I have even, on occasion, sat still while my husband ate ..ugh...crab legs...ewww...and said nothing.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Talking to them about the holes in their logic/belief system is like trying to clap with one hand.

The more holes you poke, the more galvanized they become. Its like telling a teeanger he's wrong.

Having gotten to "know" your online persona, I question who would be the obnoxious galvanized-in-his-beliefs teenager in any such discussion of logic/beliefs. Anytime you want to talk about holes, you know how to PM me.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Um, I thought the answer here was "yes." Am I wrong? I thought the idea was that the hostess is supposed to be entertaining her guests..you know, taking care of their needs.

I know that most people are "meaties" and I wouldn't think to impose my fairly strict "veggie" beliefs on them so I always offer a wide array of food.

I also offer many types of alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages. I wouldn't presume that everyone wants to drink Bud -- although for the life of me I cannot understand why.

If it was just all about what I like to eat and drink why bother to invite other people at all? I would be a heck of a lot easier to forego the party and just sit on the couch eating caulflower and sucking down Budweisers. Cheaper too.

Really? You cook steaks when you invite friends over for dinner?

That's genuinely surprising. And certainly not consistent with my experience of having been a veggie, or of having lots of veggie friends.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by Fugee
But I don't think you have the right to demand it be the kind of party you want it to be. That's not giving them respect.

I'm thinking sebbie has gone outside the party and is writing about being at a restaurant and ordering wine. I doubt anyone seriously thinks (or if they do they are rude) that they have the right to demand someone serve any particular thing (or not serve any particular thing) and a party.

I normally won't order something in front of someone if I know it makes them ill. And some jewish and muslim people I know feel downright ill when people eat pork in front of them. It is how they feel and I respect it. Similarly I might well go out of my way to not order meat in front of TF. However, should I choose to do so I would expect the person to respect the fact that I live my life under different rules, and to be gracious enough to keep em's mouth shut. I did once order porkchops in front of a jewish friend who didn't like pork, but didn't keep kosher, just because she made a big deal about it when I was considering ordering them. I don't appreciate people telling me I should live my life by their rules.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Fugee
Your idea of respect is a little different from mine and EO's. My family respects that I drink and they don't. They've never once suggested that I need to stop drinking to be a Christian. In exchange, I respect them by not slapping them in the face with it.

You don't seem to respect the decision of others to not drink when you suggest that it is socially wrong for nondrinkers to throw a party (which is what a wedding reception is) at which alcohol is not served. Why? Doesn't the host have the right to set the menu, beverages included? Should an ardent vegetarian have to offer steak as one of the entrees at the reception? You as the invited guest have the right to decline the invitation to any party if you don't think it will be enjoyable. But I don't think you have the right to demand it be the kind of party you want it to be. That's not giving them respect.

Look, we're talking about having a drink, not masturbating in front of the in laws. To cast scornful looks or get one's panties in a bunch over a drink is simply unreasonable. If someone having a glass of vino gets you verklmpt, you need to get over yourself, and your bizarre views. I'm merely advocating reasonable tolerance for generally socially acceptable behaviors.

As to the wedding, the host does get to pick the menu. An ardent meat eater, I had a vegetarian dish at my wedding to accomodate others. I also cut the ceremony to its bare bones out of respect for the 40% of the wedding who were not Catholic.

My problem with the religious and the staunchly vegan and the ardently anything are that they are alqways setting rules for the rest of us. I let people do as they like and keep my judgments in my head. Call me crazy, but that's what my forbears told me [olite folks do. The religious people who gent bent sideways over the slightest thing force us to march to their drummer, and frankly, I'm sick of it. My religious relatives got all uppity with me when I refused to do a mass at my wedding. I told them if they didn't like it, they should stay home. Fuck 'em. You think I'm going to alter my order because some vegan is at the table? He's chosen to make himself part of a select group which is not indicative of social norms of greater society, and therefore, he does not get to complain when I order whatever I like, and I have no obligation to watch out for his feelings. When he comes to the restaurant, he assumes the risk. If he didn't want to be offended, he could select a vegan restaurant, where I'd happily order a vegan dish.

Everybody's got some sensitivity or some strident belief these days, and they're always dictating to others. From Michael Bloomberg's smoking crusade to the Jesus Brigade and their anti-dancing horseshit, fuck them all. Fuck every single last annoying one of them.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Yes. This is why I always offer my guests many non-veggie dishes.

So if you're having guests for dinner, you actually handle meat and prepare it for them? (Or does Mr. Thrasher do that?) Wow. I would never expect a vegetarian host to serve something for me that would violate his or her belief system. It's not like going without meat for one meal is a supreme hardship.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Yes. This is why I always offer my guests many non-veggie dishes. And I never comment about it when people eat meat in front of me. I have even, on occasion, sat still while my husband ate ..ugh...crab legs...ewww...and said nothing.

The only time I've ever seen the OM leave a dinner table in disgust was the crab leg dinner at my mother's.

He just could not handle the cracking.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I let people do as they like and keep my judgments in my head.

***

Everybody's got some sensitivity or some strident belief these days, and they're always dictating to others. From Michael Bloomberg's smoking crusade to the Jesus Brigade and their anti-dancing horseshit, fuck them all. Fuck every single last annoying one of them.

Yes, I've often said to myself "that Sebby is so polite, he's always keeping his judgments in his head."

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Or perhaps Balt is confusing NYC with Atlanta. Any player we pick up fails to perform at the level he did for the team he left.

So true. That Maddux guy was never the same after he left the Cubs.

I think I hate the Braves more than I hate the Yankees.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Really? You cook steaks when you invite friends over for dinner?

That's genuinely surprising. And certainly not consistent with my experience of having been a veggie, or of having lots of veggie friends.

Originally posted by Fugee
So if you're having guests for dinner, you actually handle meat and prepare it for them? (Or does Mr. Thrasher do that?) Wow. I would never expect a vegetarian host to serve something for me that would violate his or her belief system. It's not like going without meat for one meal is a supreme hardship.

Yes, I serve meat to my guests. I really don't know any other veggies (except my mom but she will occasionally have a little piece of ham..and I don't see her much anyway) and my husband isn't much of a vegetable fan (except potatoes, which don't really count) so I feel it would be rude of me not to serve meat to people.

There is nothing I can do to stop them from producing meat in this country. I don't have to like it, and I don't have to eat it, but I am not out to convert people either. I made a choice over 20 years ago to not eat meat (or fish, or eggs, or milk) -- other people make their own choices and I respect that. See how I said "choice" and not "religion" or "belief" -- we aren't talking about an uber-religious Jew serving porkchops to guests.

I will occasionally be the chef, but my husband will normally handle the meat cooking duties. I can't handle poultry, no exceptions -- I can smell it on my hands for a week. I will not cook fish in my house -- even before I went "veggie" I did not eat seafood..sensitive to smell, I guess. I think my husband prefers to cook the meat because I always dump Bud on everthing on the grill with wild abandon.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As to the wedding, the host does get to pick the menu. An ardent meat eater, I had a vegetarian dish at my wedding to accomodate others. I also cut the ceremony to its bare bones out of respect for the 40% of the wedding who were not Catholic.

While I agree with you that a wedding sans liquor is not something that I would look forward to, you can't be saying that a bride and groom who don't drink for religious reasons should be forced to foot the liquor bill for their friends/relatives who like the drinky. That makes absolutely no sense. The proper response to those who invite you to such an alcohol-free occasion is to politely decline. Not get pissed off at them for not making their special day more pleasant for you. It is unfortunate that, like e/o, sometimes us heathens have to go to such occasions because they are close family or friends, but at those times one is expected to buck up and deal with it because of the love/respect you have for those people who are so close to you.

my first Miss Manners post. I feel so proud!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Look, we're talking about having a drink, not masturbating in front of the in laws.

A. It's their party.

B. They may not care at all that people are drinkers. They may simply not wish to have their party ruined (subjective, I know, but it is their party) by drunken guests. If you don't drink, you likely have a fairly low tolerance for "drunkenness." It's not the status as a "drinker", or even the act of drinking in front of them - it's the result of the drink that they dislike.

And, chewing up the rotting flesh only works as an analogy if it changes their behavior, or if they're spitting it out in your face, like a smoker.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by bilmore

And, chewing up the rotting flesh only works as an analogy if it changes their behavior, or if they're spitting it out in your face, like a smoker.

You forgot the smell. And the cracking of...ugh..crab legs..ewwww... And how people eat meat and leave that little pile on the side of their plate of, what, some part of the animal that they won't eat, what is that? And, I have actually eaten around people who..oh my god...sucked the marrow out of the bones....hurl. And on more than one occasion I have been with a person eating fish who..explain this to me.."got a bone" and I thought they were going to just lose it right there and it wasn't pleasant for me either.

I sit through it..and I don't complain...but I would rather sit near a cigar smoker. There is no "classy" (Hi PLiFfy) way to eat meat, as far as I am concerned.