Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
I hear you. But judgment calls are what executive agencies are all about and I do think that there is certainty in the determination. Even Howard Stern knows the line. He just doesn't like that the line exists.

Even you know the line. You know it is more offensive to use some words than to use others. And you know exactly which words. A 10 year old might not, but an adult knows. You really do know it when you hear it.

I know the line as far as what is offensive in a social setting, but not what I can be prosecuted for by the government. Big difference in my mind.

Originally posted by Not Me I don't get all worked up about the government regulating content on the public airwaves. There are many other vehicles to get a message out nowadays. The corporations that lease the public airwaves don't have an unfettered right to free speech on the public airwaves. The goverment doesn't even have to lease the spectrum at all if it is not in the public interest to do so. I think that the government regulating the public airwaves in 1960, when there was no cable and no internet, was far more of a threat to free speech than regulating them today.

Hence my slippery slope concerns. There is already noise being made about regulating cable. If successful, do you not think the internet is next?

Originally posted by Not Me While I do recall from high school and undergrad being taught about the signs "No Irish Need Apply" that businesses would display, I don't remember being taught about widespread Italian discrimination. Not saying it didn't happen at all, and I am sure that every new immigrant group experienced some assimilation problems. But I don't think the italians were discriminated against as a group in a way that compares to what has happened to other groups. For instance, when we were fighting Mussolini's army in WWII, I don't remember any italian internment camps being set up.

Italians faced the same discrimination that the jews and irish faced in this country, which is one of the reasons why there was so much collaboration between the three groups in the first part of the 20th Century. Example: Mayer Lansky et al, Lucky Luciano, et al, Dutch Schultz et al.

[sgtclub]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ne_5&printer=1

[sgtclub]

Did anybody catch this story the other day? Apparently, a woman pregnant with twins gave birth to one and then, when there were complications with the second, refused a c-section because she didn't want scars. The baby "died" inside her and she is now being charged with murder.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I know the line as far as what is offensive in a social setting, but not what I can be prosecuted for by the government. Big difference in my mind.

It is the same line.

Originally posted by sgtclub
Hence my slippery slope concerns. There is already noise being made about regulating cable. If successful, do you not think the internet is next?

I do not think the internet is next and I don't think that attempt to regulate cable will be successful. Time regulations, maybe, but the government has always been able to regulate time, place, manner of speech. Just not content.

Originally posted by sgtclub
Italians faced the same discrimination that the jews and irish faced in this country

I don't think any discrimination against italians compared to the discrimination that the jews have encountered in this country. True, the jews were more persecuted in europe than in the US, but there are parts of the US, like the south, where jews faced quite a bit of discrimination.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Did anybody catch this story the other day? Apparently, a woman pregnant with twins gave birth to one and then, when there were complications with the second, refused a c-section because she didn't want scars. The baby "died" inside her and she is now being charged with murder.

She denies that cosmesis played any role and says that she was just scared of the surgery. The witnesses against her were mormon health care workers who worked at the LDS hospital.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ne_5&printer=1

Do you know the specifics of the conversation that caused the fine? It just said it was a graphic discussion of Ron Jeremy. Just curious to know the specifics to know whether the FCC's actions were warranted or not.

Honestly, I think the most outrageous part of that story is this bit of information:

"Clear Channel owns 1,200 stations nationwide."

That is too much of the public airwaves concentrated in one corporation's hands, IMHO.

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

This, I somehow believe.

It's hard to imagine a "not me" that doesn't wear wifebeaters.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Me
You have to read well to be a science major, too. It is just that you also have to have good mathematical and analytical skills, too. Science and math majors have to be able to do everything an arts major does and then some.

We didn't learn to write essay answers. At law school i probably had a 3 or 4 point difference between classes where the exam was essay and ones with multiple choice.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I thought we all understood that this board serves to divert less-interesting discussions that would otherwise encumber the FB, much in the way that Old Navy and The Gap help keep the proles out of Banana Republic (and thank G*d for that). Those of us who invest ourselves here are doing the FB a favor, which it repays us by letting us skip reality TV sometimes.

And such small portions...........

I stepped up to the plate when Fluffy dropped out and was the main thoughtful responder to the adled, until we could convince Club to take over. Then, when Ty tried to ban Club, I had to come back.
Did I do fashion a service? Go ther, post a polygamy reference and see if any gets it- they won't.
That is testamnet enough. It would be nice if Leagl put a board motto on Fashion thanking me for keeping the politics on politics, but I'm afraid I went over so I won't get it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop

• President George W. Bush arrived on schedule. He gave his speech. He moderated a panel of five people on a makeshift stage in front of a sign that said "Strengthening America's Economy." He wove their stories seamlessly into the fabric of his re-election campaign. He engaged in self-deprecating humor that even a detractor might find charming.
  
  And then he left -- to a standing ovation -- shaking hands all the way to the exit door of U.S.A. Industries in Bay Shore, where his campaign made this first of three stops on Long Island yesterday.
  
  Security people kept reporters from interviewing the workers at U.S.A. until the president was on the way to his next stop.
  
  But when workers were finally interviewed -- these people who made up the bulk of the president's cheering audience in New York -- Bush's performance turned out to be, if anything, even more impressive.
  
  "No speak English," said the first worker, smiling apologetically.
  
  "No speak English," said the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth workers way-laid in the crowd.
  
  But you think the tax cuts should be made permanent, as he says?
  
  "Sorry, no English," said another.

linky

I'm mainly sure that Most of the board would agree with me, they have no idea what the fuck you're talking about most of the time either. Doesn't mean you're not the one we'd choose to make moderator; again.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm mainly sure that Most of the board would agree with me, they have no idea what the fuck you're talking about most of the time either.

N.B. -- "Sorry, no English" is a simpler way to say what you mean.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
It is the same line.

But what social settings serve the basis. I certainly have a different filter when, for instance, I'm having dinner with a partner and em's spouse then when I'm with the boys. Which line is the line for broadcast?

Originally posted by Not Me I do not think the internet is next and I don't think that attempt to regulate cable will be successful. Time regulations, maybe, but the government has always been able to regulate time, place, manner of speech. Just not content.

That's what the Catholic's were saying as they waved good bye to the Jews.

Originally posted by Not Me I don't think any discrimination against italians compared to the discrimination that the jews have encountered in this country. True, the jews were more persecuted in europe than in the US, but there are parts of the US, like the south, where jews faced quite a bit of discrimination.

Italians and Irish faced similar degrees of discrimination, and just slightly less than the Jews. The only part geography played, and still plays, in respect of discrimination is the way in which it is displayed. Northeasterners tend to be bigots only behind closed doors. Southerners are more upfront and honest about it.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Then, when Ty tried to ban Club

For the record, Ty never tried to ban me.

[pretermitted_child]

Originally posted by Not Me
You have to read well to be a science major, too.

In what language? Have you noticed the proportion of non-English speakers in the science/engineering disciplines? As an electrical engineering major, I've had my share of semi-literate and incoherent TAs and professors who did nothing but mumble/grunt in a limited vocabulary, scribble a few equations on the board, and gesticulate wildly.

Science and math majors have to be able to do everything an arts major does and then some.

Not really.

[pretermitted_child]

Originally posted by Not Me
All the engineering departments that I am familar with do not allow non-science majors to take their classes. In large part this is because the engineers have to take an entire years worth of science and math classes as prerequisites to taking any engineering classes.

My undergrad school generally allowed anyone to take any course in any department (enrollment being limited only by the number of seats in a given lecture hall). We've had some humanities majors who took, for example, digital systems lab classes just for the heck of it.

I am sure if you even were ever a physics major, you dropped physics because you couldn't hack it.

Maybe she thought it was boring. Heck, *I* found physics boring. From what I can discern from reading her posts for several years, she seems bright enough to "hack" it, but probably chose not to.