Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have decided to leave this board. I gave you all time to correct the problems I identified, and you failed. To those on the left who think "good riddence," I suggest you go back and see how many of the "serious points" raised by slave or spanky find their origins in a Hank post, although perhaps presented with a twist of humor. The board will become that much less.

:partytime:

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
He didn't really apologize. He did the fake apology.

Is the Pope supposed to be infallible? I don't think so. And SS, be careful. As we move more towards becoming Islamic, but not yet realizing we are, we will start issuing hit orders on people who mock the Pope.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Is the Pope supposed to be infallible? I don't think so. And SS, be careful. As we move more towards becoming Islamic, but not yet realizing we are, we will start issuing hit orders on people who mock the Pope.

I thought you were leaving.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Is the Pope supposed to be infallible? I don't think so. And SS, be careful. As we move more towards becoming Islamic, but not yet realizing we are, we will start issuing hit orders on people who mock the Pope.

I think the infallibility of the Pope is one of those central doctrine thingies.

Aren't you gone yet?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I thought you were leaving.

huh?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually - Hank had a valid point last week you clearly missed.



Here's the visual reason why your third "proof" is fucking irrelevant in the eyes of half this country.

Now - for the sake of argument, the rest of this post is not personal - it is directed towards the other 3/4 of you.

Half the country doesn't get boggled down is esoteric arguments about "what could" and "what if."

They see terrorists - they see folks defending them - then they think of this. People burning to death jumping out of buildings.

Oddly, most of the folks in my personal circle that want to hide these images and move on from 9/11 are the same folks that loudly demand we hamper the military/CIA from defending this country.

Ignore the argument and turn it into something it isnt. Ty's "innocent prisoner." SAM's "drunken American" on our streets.

I'm fucking sick and tired of this bait and switch. Have a problem with Bush's CIA position, then say why.

eta links to deceased NY 9/11 websites deleted at requests of others

I've said why. Quite frankly, your continual posting of this picture of a body falling from the WTC doesn't really faze me. I've seen the image too many times; it no longer shocks me or horrifies me.

I'm not suggesting we move on from 9/11. I don't want to hide it. I simply disagree with your idea of defending. Quite frankly, thius is exactly the type of argument that convinces me that the worst thing we could do is to allow you and those who think like you win this debate.

You have no sense of honor. You have no sense of what ir right and what is wrong. You care only about retribution and are willing to sacrifice our principles, ideals, and what makes us the greatest country on Earth in the name of expedience.

You say it's okay to torture terrorists because it will save lives. So what. Torturing street dealers to give up the identity and location of the wholesalers will save lives. Torturing Crips to give up other Crips will save lives. If, God Forbid, this country manages to outlaw abortion, torturing nurse and doctors will "save unborn lives."

If you think that is what America stands for, then you're wrong.

One soldier or cop, in one room, with one terrorist, saying "tell me the disarm code for the bomb under the Holland Tunnel or I will cut off your fingers, knuckle by knuckle, is something I would never prosecute.

Agreeing that we, as the defender of the Free World, and the last refuge of the torured and oppressed, can EVER allow torture to become the law of the land? No fucking way.

Hank had part of a valid point. Where he went wrong was suggesting that what is acceptable as an individual act under exigent circumstances is acceptable to this nation as a matter of law.

You have nothing but shock value, and that has lost its effectiveness through yours and Penkse's abuse.

Now, here's the part where I get personal. Fuck you for your stupid picture. Fuck you for your blind, unreasoning hate and bloodlust for revenge. Because that's what it is with you. Not defense. Not safety. Revenge. You hate them and you want them all killed. It comes screaming through in your every post.

I'm sorry for the people you lost. I'm sorry for your sense of violation. I'm sorry for your grief and anger and frustration.

But it's dangerous, it's anti-productive and it's, at its root, anti-American. So find a way to get over it. Before you and your kind get us all killed.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Spanky
I would be interested in these specifics also.

I don't really know what I can say that is more specific than "torture and physical abuse are wrong." You either get it or you don't.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tables R Us
The American people want terrorists tortured; they just don't want to know about it. They want factory farms too, but just don't want to know about the pain inflicted on farm animals.

The difference between Americans and terrorists is that Americans are ashamed about things like this, not that Americans don't want them done.

There is a place for covert ops.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
There is a place for covert ops.

you know, just as a measuring stick for your own decision, it was determined that even I don't add value here. Introspective at all?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have decided to leave this board. I gave you all time to correct the problems I identified, and you failed. To those on the left who think "good riddence," I suggest you go back and see how many of the "serious points" raised by slave or spanky find their origins in a Hank post, although perhaps presented with a twist of humor. The board will become that much less.

I am honored, though puzzled, that it was a post of mine responding to Slave which sparked this reaction.

While I don't pretend to understand Hank's motives, I will speculate that he _might_ be wondering why his posts did not draw this sort of reponse.

To that, I can only say that I am a simple man, without the time or intellect to work to decipher posts to get at the substance.

I will also speculate that I may have just whiffed.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Muslim military coup just took over Thailand.

Comments?

Military coups are a bad thing. The President of Thailand was a corrupt, populist demagogue -- not a great guy.

Depends on the policies the junta enacts.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think the infallibility of the Pope is one of those central doctrine thingies.

Aren't you gone yet?

Only when he speak "ex cathedra" -- fringey -- which happens very rarely. (Though some think JP II abused the privilege.)

S_A_M

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Only when he speak "ex cathedra" -- fringey -- which happens very rarely. (Though some think JP II abused the privilege.)

S_A_M

Does "ex cathedra" mean fringey? Cool.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you know, just as a measuring stick for your own decision, it was determined that even I don't add value here. Introspective at all?

I don't recall anyone saying you don't add value. You tend to undermine it by treating everyone else as your intellectual inferior, but that's just the sort of annoying bullshit that makes you so endearing to others.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I don't recall anyone saying you don't add value. You tend to undermine it by treating everyone else as your intellectual inferior, but that's just the sort of annoying bullshit that makes you so endearing to others.

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