Fashion Board 4-6-04 to 5-7-04

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
The Swan. I had heard absolutely nothing about it (is even Fox too embarrassed to market it?) and stumbled on it while bored last night. Deeply, deeply fucked up premise.

Each week they take 2 pretty average looking women with seriously fucked up body-image and self-confidence problems (i.e.: the women aren't secret hotties in need of a pep talk and a new hairdo, but they could look quite decent without surgery with some confidence and effort), and for 3 months subject them to serious cosmetic surgery and dentistry (they were getting full-body lipo involving some serious pounds and having 5 or 6 or 7 procedures done to their faces), put them on 1200 cal/day diets and ferocious work out regimes, and then let them see themselves in the mirror for the first time all dolled up with hair extentions and makeup.

And that's not even close to being the fucked up part. Just after seeing themselves, one of them is "cut" and told she didn't transform enough to get to go on to a beauty pageant at the end. At which, presumably, even the one who doesn't get dissed outright can have her newly built up artificial self image smashed into a million pieces by losing the competition.

And these women seem to be really fucked up about their looks, which are ... average. They do have a "therapist" on the team, but jesus fucking christ.

Only thing I can say in its favor is that the pacing is good - 2 girls every week, and a reveal at the end of every show, so you don't get bored. But where the fuck did they get surgeons willing to do this shit? This is some seriously exploitive shit, and there is NO WAY at least one contestant last night could have passed any sort of reasonably psych screening.

And, besides, it appears from one show that they will give all the girls horrible inflata-lips. Something tells me they will all come out looking like second-rank porn actresses.

This show is so utterly repulsive sounding to me that I could not watch. I recently saw on mTV " Iwant to look like britney spears" or something about this Britney impersonator (nojoke, and its a female not a male) getting fake tits so she can be a better Britney. Fucking psycho. But I am glad you are watching so you can sum it up every week.

[AnotherSarcasticSock]

Would you rather be married to an incredibly hot and nice person person who was an absolute limp fish in the sack or an okay looking nice person (not ugly) who was great in bed?

Alternatively, hot limp fish v. ugly sex machine?

I vote the latter in the first situation and former in the second.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by baltassoc
I agree with all your comments except this one. They compress 3 months worth of torture into 3 minutes so we can watch the woman stand in front of a curtain with a mirror behind it for five minutes? Get. To. The. Fucking. Point.

Concur, particularly on the idiotic, drawn out reveal. At least they don't make you suffer through an entire season of all of these girls' "transformations," though.

And the "winner" last night seriously needs to drop her lame ass husband.

Concur. I thought it was a particularly nice fucked-up touch to have the "loser" chick's obviously adoring husband rush in right in front of winner-girl after making such a big deal about what an ass her husband was.

However, I do note that the husband got his line wrong. (Maybe it would just be wrong to someone who has a modicum of self-respect.) The correct exclaimation is "you look beautiful, but you always did to me, and I'm glad that now you're happy and can see yourself as I do," not "omigod, you look beautiful, I didn't recognize you, I absolutely can't believe it!"

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Keep telling yourself that, Yankee Fan. Don't worry about the fact that the formerly unhittable Rivera was hit, and the guy who closed out saves in the past with Ks had to rely upon his defense to save his save. Blood in the water, baby! Moo-ha-ha-ha!

Yeah. He's gone all the way downhill since his performance in last year's playoffs in which he gave up roughly no runs. And what game were you watching? He got a double play on a weekly hit ball to third. His ass wasn't exactly saved by the defense.

I would predict 50-60 saves this season for him if he stays healthy, but you can't get a save when you're up by 10 runs.

TM

And aren't you a Mets fan? Shouldn't you bite your tongue the day after your team gives up 11 runs in one inning after you're winning big? 18 to 10? That's just sad.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by AnotherSarcasticSock
Would you rather be married to an incredibly hot and nice person person who was an absolute limp fish in the sack or an okay looking nice person (not ugly) who was great in bed?

Alternatively, hot limp fish v. ugly sex machine?

I vote the latter in the first situation and former in the second.

I also vote the latter in the first situation. As to the second, I would choose the former if I had to make a choice, but as a single late 20's guy who is not really obsessed with having kids or a wife just for the sake of doing so, I don't think that I would get married to a limp fish or someone ugly, regardless of the other qualities.

However, I'm of the strong belief that great lovers are made (or trained, if you want to be misogynistic about it), and I think that in the appropriate relationship you can make a hot limp fish of either sex into a bedroom dynamo.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I thought it was a particularly nice fucked-up touch to have the "loser" chick's obviously adoring husband rush in right in front of winner-girl after making such a big deal about what an ass her husband was.

OK. I just found the after pictures (in the "Gallery" -- ooooh.) Kelly A looks ridiculous in the "after". They made her look like a different person, and didn't need to go for so radical a change. She looks like a strumpet now.

The other one looks completely different too, but not like a different person. Also, a little too "hostess of The Price Is Right" but at least they kept her basic features.

So, I guess the lesson learned here is that if you ever need to completely change your identity and go live in South America to escape some bad guys, (which happens to me - every day!) Kelly A's "experts" are your go-to team.

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
However, I do note that the husband got his line wrong. (Maybe it would just be wrong to someone who has a modicum of self-respect.) The correct exclaimation is "you look beautiful, but you always did to me, and I'm glad that now you're happy and can see yourself as I do," not "omigod, you look beautiful, I didn't recognize you, I absolutely can't believe it!"

Not sure who the "winner" was -- although the photos suggest it was Rachel. Don't know any of the psychological undercurrents as I didn't watch the show -- what did the husbands say?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Yeah. He's gone all the way downhill since his performance in last year's playoffs in which he gave up roughly no runs. And what game were you watching? He got a double play on a weekly hit ball to third. His ass wasn't exactly saved by the defense.

I would predict 50-60 saves this season for him if he stays healthy, but you can't get a save when you're up by 10 runs.

TM

And aren't you a Mets fan? Shouldn't you bite your tongue the day after your team gives up 11 runs in one inning after you're winning big? 18 to 10? That's just sad.

As long as the Tigers are in first place, we are far too early in the season to make any assesment of any team or player.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by AnotherSarcasticSock
Would you rather be married to an incredibly hot and nice person person who was an absolute limp fish in the sack or an okay looking nice person (not ugly) who was great in bed?

Alternatively, hot limp fish v. ugly sex machine?

I vote the latter in the first situation and former in the second.

I'd rather have the nice person who was great in bed.

As far as the ugly sex machine, if you aren't physically attracted to someone, I don't really see how that person could be a sex machine to you. And I have no use for a hot, limp fish. I doubt I would find the fish hot if she were limp.

[dtb]

Originally posted by AnotherSarcasticSock
Would you rather be married to an incredibly hot and nice person person who was an absolute limp fish in the sack or an okay looking nice person (not ugly) who was great in bed?

Alternatively, hot limp fish v. ugly sex machine?

That's too easy. Who would go for the first one? "Hotness" wears off after a while. (Not that the person changes any, just that you get used to it.)

Now, for the second one (assuming both are nice), I suppose the hot one -- but only because the other one is ugly, and I can't imagine thinking anyone was a sex machine if I considered him ugly. (You know, eye of the beholder, yadda yadda...)

Originally posted by mmmm3587
However, I'm of the strong belief that great lovers are made (or trained, if you want to be misogynistic about it), and I think that in the appropriate relationship you can make a hot limp fish of either sex into a bedroom dynamo.

So true. (But why misogynistic? You assume that men don't need to be "trained"? Sigh.)

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by mmm3587
However, I'm of the strong belief that great lovers are made (or trained, if you want to be misogynistic about it), and I think that in the appropriate relationship you can make a hot limp fish of either sex into a bedroom dynamo.

Do you consider yourself...I don't know...a mentor in this regard?

TM

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by mmm3587

However, I'm of the strong belief that great lovers are made (or trained, if you want to be misogynistic about it), and I think that in the appropriate relationship you can make a hot limp fish of either sex into a bedroom dynamo.

Is that why you dumped your girlfriend b/c she didn't orgasm enough for you? I guess that makes you a pretty shitty "trainer."

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by dtb
Now, for the second one (assuming both are nice), I suppose the hot one -- but only because the other one is ugly, and I can't imagine thinking anyone was a sex machine if I considered him ugly. (You know, eye of the beholder, yadda yadda...)

I dated a guy for a while who was objectively ugly. I knew he was ugly. In fact, on our second date (which was the first date that did not involve copious amounts of alcohol) I remember thinking as he leaned in for a kiss, "I am not drunk enough for you to kiss me now...".

Nonetheless, he had a rocking personality, made me laugh, and was in-fucking-credible in bed. After a while, I started to think he was attractive in a really odd way...

So, my vote is for the ugly sex machine.

[dtb]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
I dated a guy for a while who was objectively ugly. I knew he was ugly. In fact, on our second date (which was the first date that did not involve copious amounts of alcohol) I remember thinking as he leaned in for a kiss, "I am not drunk enough for you to kiss me now...".

Nonetheless, he had a rocking personality, made me laugh, and was in-fucking-credible in bed. After a while, I started to think he was attractive in a really odd way...

So, my vote is for the ugly sex machine.

I agree with all that -- but you didn't think he was ugly at some point, right? That was my point. If you find the person affirmatively ugly, it's not going to progress to the point that you'd find out how his between-the-sheets performance takes the veneer of ugliness off his mug.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by dtb
I agree with all that -- but you didn't think he was ugly at some point, right? That was my point. If you find the person affirmatively ugly, it's not going to progress to the point that you'd find out how his between-the-sheets performance takes the veneer of ugliness off his mug.

No, I always knew he was ugly. Objectively, he just was.

But I liked him regardless... his other qualities outshone his ugliness, and made him do-able in my book.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
No, I always knew he was ugly. Objectively, he just was.

But I liked him regardless... his other qualities outshone his ugliness, and made him do-able in my book.

But clearly he wasn't "marriage material."