Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Warner won't run.

Hillary already has it locked it up.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
What you call making videos could also be described as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He is helping Al Queda organize so they can kill Americans. This guy, if caught, she be executed just like the Rosenbergs.

Once caught, he'll probably try to beat the rap on the treason charge by arguing that treason is actually narrowly defined in case law, and if the totality we've got him on is making videos, he might also have a colorable First Amendment claim.

Fortunately, though, he's in clearer violation of the anti-terrorist legislation passed by Congress, so most likely he'll be convicted on that. Presumably, that legislation carries the death penalty, so we'll still get to see him put on a spit.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
he might also have a colorable First Amendment claim.

I didn't kill anyone, I was just issuing orders? If Hitler had thought of that he might have skipped the suicide and rolled the dice at Nuremberg.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I didn't kill anyone, I was just issuing orders? If Hitler had thought of that he might have skipped the suicide and rolled the dice at Nuremberg.

Far as I can tell, the issue of whether and when speech alone constitutes treason hasn't been resolved very well. This Volokh post sketches out some of the reasoning.

But like I said, Hank, don't worry. He'll burn under the more recent anti-terrorism legislation anyway.

Gattigap

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Far as I can tell, the issue of whether and when speech alone constitutes treason hasn't been resolved very well. This Volokh post sketches out some of the reasoning.

But like I said, Hank, don't worry. He'll burn under the more recent anti-terrorism legislation anyway.

Gattigap

the problem with this board is you and Ty and the rest of your fellow-sap-drips read something like this and assume it carries more legal weight than say, the average spanky post.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the problem with this board is you and Ty and the rest of your fellow-sap-drips read something like this and assume it carries more legal weight than say, the average spanky post.

What a great world it would be if all Spanky posts were considered controlling legal authority.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
How can anyone argue that what the Clinton administration did, did not help the North Koreans a long with their Nuclear program.

The argument is very easy to make if you know anything at all about the technology. What you're saying is kind of like saying that of course the North Koreans were growing corn -- after all, we were sending them wheat.

That said, I appreciate your candor is admitting that in five years, the Bush Administration has done nothing to make the situation better. Next, we can start to talk about the ways they've made things worse.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The argument is very easy to make if you know anything at all about the technology.

and by "know" you mean "have read some blog and take it as Gospel?" Like how you understand the evidence re. evolution.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
and by "know" you mean "have read some blog and take it as Gospel?" Like how you understand the evidence re. evolution.

Or like you and string theory.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The argument is very easy to make if you know anything at all about the technology. What you're saying is kind of like saying that of course the North Koreans were growing corn -- after all, we were sending them wheat.

We sent them five billion dollars in hard currency and oil. Both the money and oil could and was used to purchase stuff on the black market. That money and assitance we sent them was cut off by the Bush administration.

After we agreed to the deal in 94 we also agreed that there would be no weapon inspectors for five years. The deal was so stupid Japan, South Korea and Hans Blix all objected to it.

William Safire at the time stated that it was insane to let North Korea escape weapons inspections for five years because it would "preclude a pre-emptive strike by us if North Korea, in the next U.S. president's administration, breaks its agreement to freeze additional bomb-making."


The nuclear plants we helped them set up could not be used to help make nuclear weapons as long as they destroyed the weapons grade uranium they had, and the systems they had set up to process the uranium. But if they did not destroy the uranium they had, and they did not destroy the the system they used to process it, the nuclear plants and uranium we sent could be used to facilitate the process. And that is exactly what happened, and we insured that was what happened because we were not allowed to let inspectors go in.

Bush did the only think he could do. He cut of the assistance and he was ridiculed for that.

North Korea has bombs because the Clinton Administration gave them the means (money and assitance) and the cover (no inspections for five years) to build the bombs.

By the time Bush came along, what could he do (besides cutting off the assitance)?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
We sent them five billion dollars in hard currency and oil. Both the money and oil could and was used to purchase stuff on the black market. That money and assitance we sent them was cut off by the Bush administration.

After we agreed to the deal in 94 we also agreed that there would be no weapon inspectors for five years. The deal was so stupid Japan, South Korea and Hans Blix all objected to it.

William Safire at the time stated that it was insane to let North Korea escape weapons inspections for five years because it would "preclude a pre-emptive strike by us if North Korea, in the next U.S. president's administration, breaks its agreement to freeze additional bomb-making."


The nuclear plants we helped them set up could not be used to help make nuclear weapons as long as they destroyed the weapons grade uranium they had, and the systems they had set up to process the uranium. But if they did not destroy the uranium they had, and they did not destroy the the system they used to process it, the nuclear plants and uranium we sent could be used to facilitate the process. And that is exactly what happened, and we insured that was what happened because we were not allowed to let inspectors go in.

Bush did the only think he could do. He cut of the assistance and he was ridiculed for that.

North Korea has bombs because the Clinton Administration gave them the means (money and assitance) and the cover (no inspections for five years) to build the bombs.

By the time Bush came along, what could he do (besides cutting off the assitance)?

So we are worried about their uranium-based nuclear missiles hitting SF? I don't get it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So we are worried about their uranium-based nuclear missiles hitting SF? I don't get it.

How about anywhere in South Korea and Japan. Now we can't even evacuate Seoul to avoid a holocaust on the Korean peninsula.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
How about anywhere in South Korea and Japan. Now we can't even evacuate Seoul to avoid a holocaust on the Korean peninsula.

Okay. What does uranium enrichment have to do with that?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Okay. What does uranium enrichment have to do with that?

Spanky don't answer this.

SS, before Spanky answers, first please outline what you know about nuclear technology and your source for the knowledge. You can summarize with course numbers from accreditied colleges. If you can't so that, then STFU.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Spanky don't answer this.

SS, before Spanky answers, first please outline what you know about nuclear technology and your source for the knowledge. You can summarize with course numbers from accreditied colleges. If you can't so that, then STFU.

I will agree to this only if W agrees to STFU about stuff he has no knowledge of.

eta: Perhaps you can answer this, Hank: Did NK's recent nuclear test involve uranium?