Fashion Board 6-9-04 to 7-13-04

[dtb]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Don't count your chickens before they come home to roost, missy.

Yanks sweep Sox? Yes, but!
"pride goeth before a fall"
(or something like that).

Come on, man. I didn't make any predictions about the outcome of the season -- but the fact that the Red Sox have a huge number of errors, they are the team that has the highest unearned runs allowed against them, and the fewest (I'm on shaky ground on this one -- not sure this is exactly right) unearned runs scored, they will have problems even earning a wild card spot if the ship doesn't right itself. Whether the Yanks win the division (eh -- who am I kidding -- of course they'll win the division!), the Red Sox have some serious wrinkles to iron out.

But hell, even I can appreciate when another team's player makes an outstanding play (the unassisted triple play by an Atlanta Brave (?) last season (?) comes to mind). I'm generous like that.

A-Rod's play was one of those that you have to admire, even if you don't like the Yankees (if you're a fan of baseball, that is.)

[dtb]

Nothing to see here -- move along.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
And you've just made a case for why football is such a shitty sport. I have no interest in watching average guys with great speed and/or hand-eye coordination play catch with a ball. Granted, highlight reels where guys do amazing shit are cool, but I imagine there are some pretty good highlight reels from baseball games as well.

You, Sebastian, among all posters, have a unique ability to obliviously contradict yourself within the same post.

Its a symptom of stream of consciousness blathering...

But, I think my post is consistent throughout. Kicking a ball is at best a pedestrain skill. It cannot be equated with the skill involved in running a pattern, getting loose from a defender and watching over your shoulder a 35 yard missile, all the while timing your speed to make sure you're in perfect sync with the ball. I also don't think soccer passing is nearly as difficult as football passing. In football you have to be absolutely on the mark. Have you ever tried to throw a perfect dart to a covered receiver? Shit, on the short-to-mid passes across the middle, you have to fire a stinger and on the long ones you have to measure the distance, speed of receiver and put just the right sizable amount of arm strength into it. Its harder than throwing a perfect breaking ball, which is really hard. From what I've seen of soccer passes, guys just kick the ball within several yards of the guy they're passing too and hope he's open. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look nearly as complicated as football.

ETA: Actually, the breaking ball is not the hardest pitch in baseball. Throwing a hard inside curve to a batter batting from the same side as you're pitching is next to impossible. I have always been in awe of people who could do that.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by dtb
Come on, man. I didn't make any predictions about the outcome of the season -- but the fact that the Red Sox have a huge number of errors, they are the team that has the highest unearned runs allowed against them, and the fewest (I'm on shaky ground on this one -- not sure this is exactly right) unearned runs scored, they will have problems even earning a wild card spot if the ship doesn't right itself. Whether the Yanks win the division (eh -- who am I kidding -- of course they'll win the division!), the Red Sox have some serious wrinkles to iron out.

But hell, even I can appreciate when another team's player makes an outstanding play (the unassisted triple play by an Atlanta Brave (?) last season (?) comes to mind). I'm generous like that.

A-Rod's play was one of those that you have to admire, even if you don't like the Yankees (if you're a fan of baseball, that is.)

Pshaw, they're just cursed. It certainly appeared so last night. The ghost of the bambino was hovering over the bronx.

No, I agree with you, the Red Sox have some issues they need to work out. If they don't get it together, the curse really will persist, regardless of what Ben Affleck's T-shirt says.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its a symptom of stream of consciousness blathering...

But, I think my post is consistent throughout. Kicking a ball is at best a pedestrain skill. It cannot be equated with the skill involved in running a pattern, getting loose from a defender and watching over your shoulder a 35 yard missile, all the while timing your speed to make sure you're in perfect sync with the ball. I also don't think soccer passing is nearly as difficult as football passing. In football you have to be absolutely on the mark. Have you ever tried to throw a perfect dart to a covered receiver? Shit, on the short-to-mid passes across the middle, you have to fire a stinger and on the long ones you have to measure the distance, speed of receiver and put just the right sizable amount of arm strength into it. Its harder than throwing a perfect breaking ball, which is really hard. From what I've seen of soccer passes, guys just kick the ball within several yards of the guy they're passing too and hope he's open. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look nearly as complicated as football.

"Maybe I'm wrong"

This phrase saved your post from complete idiocy.

I am tired of repeating this point, but apparently you have not read my earlier posts on the subject, so I will say it one last time and let it drop. If you think that all that is required to play soccer well (or even competently) is running fast and kicking the ball somewhere near another player on your team, then you have either never played soccer or have not played since you were at an age when all that mattered was being able to run fast and kick a ball somewhere near another player on your team. That age is probably about ten years old.

You do not like watching soccer. Thurgreed does not like watching soccer. That's fine. There is no moral imperative for you to be able to appreciate or enjoy the sport. When you begin to opine on the relative worth of or skills involved in soccer versus other sports, however, it becomes glaringly evident that you are talking out of both sides of your meager ass. For that reason, I suggest you stop.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its a symptom of stream of consciousness blathering...

But, I think my post is consistent throughout. Kicking a ball is at best a pedestrain skill. It cannot be equated with the skill involved in running a pattern, getting loose from a defender and watching over your shoulder a 35 yard missile, all the while timing your speed to make sure you're in perfect sync with the ball. I also don't think soccer passing is nearly as difficult as football passing. In football you have to be absolutely on the mark. Have you ever tried to throw a perfect dart to a covered receiver? Shit, on the short-to-mid passes across the middle, you have to fire a stinger and on the long ones you have to measure the distance, speed of receiver and put just the right sizable amount of arm strength into it. Its harder than throwing a perfect breaking ball, which is really hard. From what I've seen of soccer passes, guys just kick the ball within several yards of the guy they're passing too and hope he's open. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look nearly as complicated as football.

I get into road tussles all the time with Scottish/English/Irish football fans who pooh-pooh American football as a bunch of fat pussies in elaborate protective gear stopping and starting an hour-long game for three hours. I try to explain to them that American football is a game of strategy and skill that requires a high level of passing accuracy, timing, ball control and teamwork, just like soccer. They don't buy this because they haven't watched the game long enough to understand why it's not as easy as it looks.

Bottom line? The human race is destined to be mired in petty misunderstanding and unfounded contempt until it finally destroys itself in a convulsive nuclear exchange.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
"Maybe I'm wrong"

This phrase saved your post from complete idiocy.

I am tired of repeating this point, but apparently you have not read my earlier posts on the subject, so I will say it one last time and let it drop. If you think that all that is required to play soccer well (or even competently) is running fast and kicking the ball somewhere near another player on your team, then you have either never played soccer or have not played since you were at an age when all that mattered was being able to run fast and kick a ball somewhere near another player on your team. That age is probably about ten years old.

You do not like watching soccer. Thurgreed does not like watching soccer. That's fine. There is no moral imperative for you to be able to appreciate or enjoy the sport. When you begin to opine on the relative worth of or skills involved in soccer versus other sports, however, it becomes glaringly evident that you are talking out of both sides of your meager ass. For that reason, I suggest you stop.

2.
you do admit cycling is a wank though, right?

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by soccer and baseball fans

boring shit

When my sister was about 16 or so, she had pretty big boobs. She was very athletic as well. She stopped a ball with her chest during a game once and her bra broke and popped open so she yanked it off and played the rest of the half without a bra on. All eyes were on her bounciness.

edited to note that it was a soccer game she was playing, in case that was not evident. I'm tired and my shins hurt.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
When my sister was about 16 or so, she had pretty big boobs. She was very athletic as well. She stopped a ball with her chest during a game once and her bra broke and popped open so she yanked it off and played the rest of the half without a bra on. All eyes were on her bounciness.

edited to note that it was a soccer game she was playing, in case that was not evident. I'm tired and my shins hurt.

Did Sandra Schmirler ever go braless? any skips you know of?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Kicking a ball is at best a pedestrain skill. It cannot be equated with the skill involved in running a pattern, getting loose from a defender and watching over your shoulder a 35 yard missile, all the while timing your speed to make sure you're in perfect sync with the ball.

Wrong. Having done plenty of both, I can say that playing receiver may require more speed and strength, but I think that receiving a soccer pass in flight takes much more skill and coordination. Half-volleying a ball in the air? Not easy.

I also don't think soccer passing is nearly as difficult as football passing. In football you have to be absolutely on the mark. Have you ever tried to throw a perfect dart to a covered receiver? Shit, on the short-to-mid passes across the middle, you have to fire a stinger and on the long ones you have to measure the distance, speed of receiver and put just the right sizable amount of arm strength into it.

I don't necessarily disagree, although I don't think the two types of passing are comparable. I know a few uncoordinated guys who throw beautifully. One gets compliments by opponents all the time in flag football, and the guy looks like your accountant and is shaped like a pear. He throws a great ball though.

Its harder than throwing a perfect breaking ball, which is really hard. From what I've seen of soccer passes, guys just kick the ball within several yards of the guy they're passing too and hope he's open. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't look nearly as complicated as football.

Throwing a football is fairly easy. Throwing a below-average breaking-ball is tough as shit. I pitched, and if you can just get your curveball over for a strike, you're above-average.

Regardless, I still think that football requires the most all-around athletic ability: strength, speed, coordination and skill. B/c strength isn't primary in either sport, I think soccer or basketball comes in 2nd.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
When my sister was about 16 or so, she had pretty big boobs. She was very athletic as well. She stopped a ball with her chest during a game once and her bra broke and popped open so she yanked it off and played the rest of the half without a bra on. All eyes were on her bounciness.

edited to note that it was a soccer game she was playing, in case that was not evident. I'm tired and my shins hurt.

She pulled a modified Brandi Chastaine?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
When my sister was about 16 or so, she had pretty big boobs. She was very athletic as well. She stopped a ball with her chest during a game once and her bra broke and popped open so she yanked it off and played the rest of the half without a bra on. All eyes were on her bounciness.

edited to note that it was a soccer game she was playing, in case that was not evident. I'm tired and my shins hurt.

Apropos of this, I had a buddy who was jacked in the nads by a ball in HS. He went down. His best friend's dad was a doctor. The doc ran on the field, pulled down the buddy's pants, and proceeded to examine his twigs and berries to see if everything was okay. About 500 fans were present. Good times.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by dtb
Come on, man.

Bring it, babe.

Originally posted by dtb
... the Red Sox have some serious wrinkles to iron out.

I know. I think that they and the Mets may be trading off the most unearned runs allowed and most errors committed booby prizes all season. They will have to fix that to have a shot at post-season play. And get some pitching from someone other than Pedro and Curt.

Originally posted by dtb
But hell, even I can appreciate when another team's player makes an outstanding play (the unassisted triple play by an Atlanta Brave (?) last season (?) comes to mind). I'm generous like that.

A-Rod's play was one of those that you have to admire, even if you don't like the Yankees (if you're a fan of baseball, that is.)

I was actually more impressed with Jeter's dive into the stands. A-Rod made a great play, sure, but seeing The Pretty Boy (uh, the other one, Flower) sacrifice his face like that was truly unbelievable. That dude has game. Bastard.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
"Maybe I'm wrong"

This phrase saved your post from complete idiocy.

I am tired of repeating this point, but apparently you have not read my earlier posts on the subject, so I will say it one last time and let it drop. If you think that all that is required to play soccer well (or even competently) is running fast and kicking the ball somewhere near another player on your team, then you have either never played soccer or have not played since you were at an age when all that mattered was being able to run fast and kick a ball somewhere near another player on your team. That age is probably about ten years old.

You do not like watching soccer. Thurgreed does not like watching soccer. That's fine. There is no moral imperative for you to be able to appreciate or enjoy the sport. When you begin to opine on the relative worth of or skills involved in soccer versus other sports, however, it becomes glaringly evident that you are talking out of both sides of your meager ass. For that reason, I suggest you stop.

Harrumph.

You're feisty about this soccer thing. Good for you.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ironweed
Bottom line? The human race is destined to be mired in petty misunderstanding and unfounded contempt until it finally destroys itself in a convulsive nuclear exchange.

I missed you.