Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky

They all have schools but they suck. The difference is that even in schools without standards upper middle class parents set high standards for their children. Asian kids do consistently better even in really bad inner city schools because the parents set standards for their kids. They fill in where the school district leaves a gap. Why does it leave a gap? Because of the Teacher's Union.

But everytime there is a practical solution put forward to demand higher standards from the children some liberals comes in and blocks it.

it is more parents than you think. my kid's district has our semi-rich neighborhood and a poorer neighborhood. Our elementary school is great- theirs sucks.

now take it to really poor- inner city Detroit. lots of broken families, andwhat parents there are struggling just to keep above water.

my kid's school has a teacher's union, it just also has tons of parents that don't let the teachers coast.

the problem is what to do where there isn't adequate parental involvement.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
"censorhip"

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it is more parents than you think. my kid's district has our semi-rich neighborhood and a poorer neighborhood. Our elementary school is great- theirs sucks.

now take it to really poor- inner city Detroit. lots of broken families, andwhat parents there are struggling just to keep above water.

my kid's school has a teacher's union, it just also has tons of parents that don't let the teachers coast.

the problem is what to do where there isn't adequate parental involvement.

Christ almightly, I actually agree with you. This is what I'm always trying get the "charter schools* are the answer" people to address.

Duh, charter schools* work in part because kids in them (a) have very involved parents who make the effort to get in (even if there's no academic requirement, you still have to make an effort) (b) are themselves motivated enough to make the effort to get in) or (c) both (a) and (b).

*you may substitute school choice or vouchers or similar things for charter schools

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb

my "cirrhossis"/passover post was poty for people who get Jewish references but no one mentioned it

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
my "cirrhossis"/passover post was poty for people who get Jewish references but no one mentioned it

i dont get it. and/or didnt read it.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Christ almightly, I actually agree with you. This is what I'm always trying get the "charter schools* are the answer" people to address.

Duh, charter schools* work in part because kids in them (a) have very involved parents who make the effort to get in (even if there's no academic requirement, you still have to make an effort) (b) are themselves motivated enough to make the effort to get in) or (c) both (a) and (b).

*you may substitute school choice or vouchers or similar things for charter schools

create an inclusive diverse anti-biased progressive community.....

of course most of the liberal fucks in the demo party have thier heads too far up the teachers unions arses to think outside the box.

thanks for destroying america's future liberals!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

If you feel the same way about Bill O'Reilly that I do, you'll want to watch his appearance on David Letterman's show.

[Hank Chinaski]

so they got an "eliminate affirmative action" proposal on our ballot. I saw a commercial to stop the proposal that didn't say "affirmative action" once. Of course saying it would be informing the yokels, so I get the quiet approach- but here's the question- the commercial says things like "in another state where a similar inititive was passed, Courts have found funding for women's medical care (I forget which care but some stuff only women have) illegal."

I take it to mean that the text of the law was so broad as to not allow any difference for any distinction between people.

Did that happen in California? any other States have a similar measure?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

If you're interested in the legality of waterboarding as torture, read this post by Marty Lederman, an alum of the Office of Legal Counsel. He walks through the legal cover provided by OLC for what the Administration is doing.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
create an inclusive diverse anti-biased progressive community.....

of course most of the liberal fucks in the demo party have thier heads too far up the teachers unions arses to think outside the box.

thanks for destroying america's future liberals!!!

um, how does that address the quality of education for kids with uninvolved parents? you are chamgimg the topic.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you're interested in the legality of waterboarding as torture, read this post by Marty Lederman, an alum of the Office of Legal Counsel. He walks through the legal cover provided by OLC for what the Administration is doing.

now that everyone knows it isn't dangerous, isn't it no longer of any use?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
um, how does that address the quality of education for kids with uninvolved parents? you are chamgimg the topic.

have you been drinking, or are you coming on to Spanky?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
have you been drinking, or are you coming on to Spanky?

Neither. Long story involving thumb problem referenced earlier.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Neither. Long story involving thumb problem referenced earlier.

you type with your thumbs?

This is a personal question, and if you want to answer via PM, I understand, but do you have all 10 fingers?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Spanky
They are trying to copy our system of higher education. But when it comes to grade school they all kick our collective derriers. The education level is so bad among the middle and lower classes that companies don't want to set up factories. Many companies move their manufacturing to other countries to get lower wages and a higher educated workforce. We can't do much about the former but we can do a lot about the latter. . . . But everytime there is a practical solution put forward to demand higher standards from the children some liberals comes in and blocks it.

We spend way more time than everyone else trying to make kids feel empowered, and worthy, and self-confident, to the point where we even changed the basic theme of elementary ed to "we doan' need no stinking drills!" Too many kids weren't memorizing their eights and nines, and so, the philosophy holds, to continue to emphasize the drills would be too damaging to kids' self-esteem. I think that we DO need to do things that make kids feel able and useful and valued, but there's a balance that needs to be found. We're not there yet. Problem is, getting there won't happen until the education community regains some diversity - too many ed students from the last twenty years of ed college are so firmly settled into the anti-drill-and-basics mode that we'll need to wait, first, for the current ed school philosophy to switch back to valuing knowledge as much as self-esteem, and then for the grads of the new outlook to start taking over the field.

Clearly, by 2060, we'll see a start. Until then, anyone with kids needs to handle that very basic educational-system function themselves. We've done the drills with the kidlets since time began, and now, as the kids start entering non-elementary schools, they're consistently getting A's and B's. I can testify, after some long struggles to get our ADD kids out of the score basement, that there are few ways more effective to raise a kid's self-esteem than to give them the tools to start succeeding - like, drill them in math in the basics so they have a foundation to learn the more advanced stuff. (Trig is tough if you have to stop and figure out nine times seven.) The whole "teach self-esteem" movement simply wants kids to feel like they've succeeded without having to take the time and trouble to actually succeed.