Fringey's taut-abbed painter

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Tease.

Tart.

[Replaced_Texan]

If you have a brand new computer, back up everything on it on a regular basis anyways.

I learn these things through experience, so you don't have to.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
If you have a brand new computer, back up everything on it on a regular basis anyways.

I learn these things through experience, so you don't have to.

Oh right, like we are going to believe your quaint, experience-based Heartland learnin'. Hick.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
How unexpected! You're taking parody lessons from NFH.

How does my name keep coming up for these? I did one parody once ever. I'm not doing this.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
How does my name keep coming up for these? I did one parody once ever. I'm not doing this.

If you had any brains, you would have responded with a parodied Enrique Iglesias song.

TM

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
How does my name keep coming up for these? I did one parody once ever. I'm not doing this.

Apart from one thing, Timothy McVeigh seemed like a decent fellow.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
If you had any brains, you would have responded with a parodied Enrique Iglesias song.

TM

dammit.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think I can add some flesh to your second point... No one challenges rubes' alleged god given deeper earthy wisdom for two reasons. First, how do you argue with a rube? He's unread and doesn't consider alternative data. Ever try to debate against a person who's relying on a hunch? There's no point in it. So most thinkers don't engage rubes. No rube will go toe to toe with Stanley cavell at Oxford any time soon, so the rube wisdom goes forever unchallenged. Second, rubes deal in absolutes and shun analytical thought. Americans don't like to think. They find the idea that a hayseed can reach the same wisdom as a research scientist from natural intuition alone incredibly attractive. Believing the myth that Farmer John is as wise from old age as any formally educated person is from university schooling creates a false even playing field on which rubes can consider themselves as advanced as anyone else on the planet. This rube pride is really nothing more than the pervasive laziness of our culture repackaged - Americans want maximum return, minimal effort. The rubes are proud, but frustrated. They want respect, but they don't want to have to earn it on terms set by what they see as the "Eastern Intellectuals". What they're missing is that the these high fallutin' coastal measures of intelligence are not coastal at all - they're universal.

Maybe I should give them a hand - they're successfully rebelling against evolution, which is what they want, right?

Atticus has 2 main styles of arguing. You're seeing a common one with this, I call it a double weak strawman.

He first takes the strawman of a diner manager from a town in Kansas with a population of 200, and one quoted to have said something stupid. Her entire thought basis and intellect summed up in one quote- and then made to represent the average midwesterner. He then asks why the media speaks of the "wisdom" of the heartland when so often they're idiots. Next he tacks on the strawman of whether the rube fully appreciates the contribution of city dwellers to the arts and invention. Seb tacks on that the average Professor is surely more intelligent when we define intelligence as knowing things learned from books.

First let me concede some points: if you take the random professor from a random East Coast college and compare them to a random diner manager selected from a random town with a population of less than 500, the prof will win in most tests of reasoning, intellect and even perhaps common sense ( on common sense 51% of the time.) Of course your average resident of NY is not a college prof (Woody Allen movies aside) but probably a diner worker himself. So the first strawman is a silly choice to make the point. Surely there are a number of quite ignorant people in NYC also.

Second, no one quotes the average midwestern farm worker on the arts or invention. The arts generally require some education in the arts to "understand" or create that which is considered art. Invention takes a technical degree anymore. And really, I'm not sure that the big cities beat the heartland on artists or inventors, particularly if you count where they were born, not where they create.

More to the point, what the media quotes is the common sense wisdom of the common man- and while often a farmer from Iowa, the media image extends to New Yorkers. Hell, the NYC cabdriver was once the very embodiment of the wise common man- now they don't speak English mostly. Joe Six-pack? He was an actual man who lived in the Bronx.

The wisdom of the common man as to everyday common sense issues is not trumped by having multiple degrees. There are as many dumb people with college degrees living within a block of me now as there were dumb people with factory jobs living within a block of me where I grew up. And some of the smartest people I know have no college degree- I mean smart in the sense of reacting to everyday life challenges, not smart in knowing what Melville meant in Billy Budd or something like that.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Come on... I want to know what the average crackhead thinks.

And by the way- the sickest fuck ever wasn't from the midwest, or NYC or LA or Detroit. The sickest fuck ever was the guy who kidnapped several women and held them in his basement. To keep food costs down he'd periodically kill one and feed her to the others. That's way sicker than fetus stealing.

Seb. Where did he live?

[Hank Chinaski]

> ANGST INVADES THE EAST COAST
> New York (Finally) Gets Mortified
>
> NOW CASTING
> Dust off that diary! Whip out that Trapper Keeper! MORTIFIED (LA’s cult
> stage phenom) is coming to NYC and looking for NEW performers! And dammit,
> that means you.
>
> ABOUT THE SHOW:
> Mortified is a showcase of people like you reading aloud their most
> embarrassing, REAL teenage diary entries, poems, love letters, lyrics and
> locker notes… in front of total strangers. Hailed "a comic cringe-fest" by
> Backstage West, the show has been featured on NPR's "THIS AMERICAN LIFE."
> For complete info, visit http://www.getmortified.com.
>
> WHAT TO AUDITION:
> Read us your hilariously embarrassing diaries, poems, letters, poems,
> lyrics, school assignments etc. written when young (ages 5-19). No adult
> diaries. Pick your funniest, strangest and most mortifying teen material.
> Topics can cover anything-- family, sex, smoking, bullies, celebrity
> crushes, punishments, school, career aspirations, world peace, obsessions,
> etc. The weirder, the funnier. (Watch our web CLIPS for examples.) Your
> material should range between 2-7 minutes. Editing text is allowed and
> encouraged.
>
> WANNA TRY OUT?
> To submit, simply visit http://www.getmortified.com & click on "AUDITION".
> Auditions for "Mortified NYC" will be held on JAN. 22 and 23 in New York
> City for a show scheduled to debut in late March or April. Open to
> anyone.
>
> In Angst We Trust,
>
> Mortified
> http://www.getmortified.com
>
>
> (PLEASE FORWARD TO FRIENDS IN NYC)

I seen clips from this in LA- it is hilarious (some clips are on the webpage) if you have your diary you might want to consider- if they do the show there go.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I seen clips from this in LA- it is hilarious (some clips are on the webpage) if you have your diary you might want to consider- if they do the show there go.

Right. Like they'll ever do it where I live. I'd have to see it in NYC or LA, where a fetus is likely to be snatched right out of me. I doubt it's worth it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
And by the way- the sickest fuck ever wasn't from the midwest, or NYC or LA or Detroit. The sickest fuck ever was the guy who kidnapped several women and held them in his basement. To keep food costs down he'd periodically kill one and feed her to the others. That's way sicker than fetus stealing.

Seb. Where did he live?

Objection. Relevance?

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
And by the way- the sickest fuck ever wasn't from the midwest, or NYC or LA or Detroit. The sickest fuck ever was the guy who kidnapped several women and held them in his basement. To keep food costs down he'd periodically kill one and feed her to the others. That's way sicker than fetus stealing.

Seb. Where did he live?

Jamaica?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Right. Like they'll ever do it where I live. I'd have to see it in NYC or LA, where a fetus is likely to be snatched right out of me. I doubt it's worth it.

Hey face-fuck, people from NYC and LA go to it, and they're smarter than you. You might want to reconsider and go.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
First let me concede some points: if you take the random professor from a random East Coast college and compare them to a random diner manager selected from a random town with a population of less than 500, the prof will win in most tests of reasoning, intellect and even perhaps common sense ( on common sense 51% of the time.)

Unless the random East Coaster is throwing a party for his dog and the media is intentionally missing the irony.