Posting Towards Gomorrah - Page 48

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
This is relevant how? If you want me to engage with you, then start making sense.

It's relevant to point out, yet again, what a bunch of moronic appeasing fifth columnists the cut and run Ds are. Ned Lamont, the hero of the new Democrat party, advocates the solution in Iran is talk to them. reason with them. Reason with a guy who denies the Holocaust.

This is consistent with the Ds rationale that Iraq wasn't a threat to the US, the terrorists should be treated as lawbreakers, felons, not as enemy combatants. Providing extraordinary rights and giving extraordinary consideration to the Islamofacists is consistent with pretending that the current President of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or Al Qeada can be negotiated. They are all part of the GWOT and its time for the Ds to step aside and let the adults run this show without your whiney whinging and handwringing.

taxwonk · 09-07-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
It's relevant to point out, yet again, what a bunch of moronic appeasing fifth columnists the cut and run Ds are. Ned Lamont, the hero of the new Democrat party, advocates the solution in Iran is talk to them. reason with them. Reason with a guy who denies the Holocaust.

This is consistent with the Ds rationale that Iraq wasn't a threat to the US, the terrorists should be treated as lawbreakers, felons, not as enemy combatants. Providing extraordinary rights and giving extraordinary consideration to the Islamofacists is consistent with pretending that the current President of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or Al Qeada can be negotiated. They are all part of the GWOT and its time for the Ds to step aside and let the adults run this show without your whiney whinging and handwringing.

I like pudding.

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
not duck and cover like in the old films but we sat in hallways and ducked our heads. Maybe for tornados, but I thought for the bomb.

We had duck and cover like in the films, and I am younger than both of you old coots. However, I also lived closer to TCotU, which, as we know, is a higher value target, no offence.

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I like pudding.

Well you had better eat up now, when Ahmanedinejad is your President, after Pelosi turns over the keys, you willl get no pudding. The Shari'a has a strict rule against pudding for infidels. However, to make up for that, assuming we have proximate locales in the afterlife, I promise to share my shitstew with you.

SlaveNoMore · 09-07-2006, 03:13 PM

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taxwonk
An involuntary and tragic response to a clearly unlawful and savage act by terrorists. But that doesn't make torture any less torture.

Don't try and pretty it up. If you're going to advocate abandoning the principles upon which this country was founded, the principles that brought both your ancestors and mine here, to become part of a nation where such acts as torture were clearly recognized as universally wrong, then have the balls to stand up and admit it.

Gag.

One, show me actual torture.

Two, show me a terrorist with crucial information, and I'll be more than happy to suggest cutting off the digits of his fingers, excrutiatingly slow, to get that information. If that's torture, so be it.

Three, my country had the "principles " to firebomb hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS in Germany (killing some relatives of mine in the process) and to nuke the fuck out of Japan, all in all to stop WWII. Pretty damn successful, don't you say.

SlaveNoMore · 09-07-2006, 03:17 PM

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taxwonk
Now, how do we solve the problem of my son and thousands, if not millions, or kids not being able to sleep at night? And how do we run the risk of not becoming so inured to the sight of someone tumbling out of the sky to certain death that it ceases to have any impact or meaning for us?

Also, do we use the same loose standards for choosing torture victims as were recently proposed for searching people getting on to planes?

Oh, that's right. Whitewash history. Hide the youngsters from the face of the enemy and it'll go away. Bad, bad men. Shoo.

Your kids would probalby sleep much better if they knew they were safe from the Islamist threat.

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Oh, that's right. Whitewash history. Hide the youngsters from the face of the enemy and it'll go away. Bad, bad men. Shoo.

Your kids would probalby sleep much better if they knew they were safe from the Islamist threat.

Each of my kids and their respective moms has a pair of 9MMs in the night stand next to their beds for the day when the Ds let the Islamofacists come knocking.

eta: and/or to guard against John Mark-David Karr.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-07-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
One, show me actual torture.

I haven't figured out yet what I'd need to show you for you to say it's torture. Which is odd, because . . . .

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Two, show me a terrorist with crucial information, and I'll be more than happy to suggest cutting off the digits of his fingers, excrutiatingly slow, to get that information. If that's torture, so be it.

. . . . you seem to be OK with torture in any event, so I'm not sure why you're so invested in arguing that torture is not torture.

Even before your third point, I was going to observe that we managed to win World War II without torturing Germans and Japanese combatants.

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Three, my country had the "principles " to firebomb hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS in Germany (killing some relatives of mine in the process) and to nuke the fuck out of Japan, all in all to stop WWII. Pretty damn successful, don't you say.

Two wrongs make a right in your world?

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Gag.

One, show me actual torture.

Two, show me a terrorist with crucial information, and I'll be more than happy to suggest cutting off the digits of his fingers, excrutiatingly slow, to get that information. If that's torture, so be it.

Three, my country had the "principles " to firebomb hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS in Germany (killing some relatives of mine in the process) and to nuke the fuck out of Japan, all in all to stop WWII. Pretty damn successful, don't you say.

2. Not to mention to the tactics we used on the Indians to fulfill G-d's vision of our Shining City on the Hill. If its good enough for them folks, its good enough for the Islamofacists.

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Even before your third point, I was going to observe that we managed to win World War II without torturing Germans and Japanese combatants.

I highly doubt that is true and I am sure a little googling would show as much, the difference then from now is in the 40s Roosevelt didn't have a fifth column composed of the Rs, the MSM and the blogospherics to uncover and magnify every purported incident of "torture".....rather the Ds and the Rs, and the great patriots of this nation recognised right from wrong and the need for right to overcome wrong.

eta: Notwithstanding Roosevelt's lies about his intentions to keep us out of the War.

taxwonk · 09-07-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Gag.

One, show me actual torture.

Two, show me a terrorist with crucial information, and I'll be more than happy to suggest cutting off the digits of his fingers, excrutiatingly slow, to get that information. If that's torture, so be it.

Three, my country had the "principles " to firebomb hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS in Germany (killing some relatives of mine in the process) and to nuke the fuck out of Japan, all in all to stop WWII. Pretty damn successful, don't you say.

There you go.

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
There you go.

So you are in favour of nuking Iran? Welcome to the club!!!!:hug:

Hank Chinaski · 09-07-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I highly doubt that is true and I am sure a little googling would show as much, the difference then from now is in the 40s Roosevelt didn't have a fifth column composed of the Rs, the MSM and the blogospherics to uncover and magnify every purported incident of "torture".....rather the Ds and the Rs, and the great patriots of this nation recognised right from wrong and the need for right to overcome wrong.

eta: Notwithstanding Roosevelt's lies about his intentions to keep us out of the War.

here you go Mr. Penske. can i freshen your coffee, sir?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3935

Penske_Account · 09-07-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
here you go Mr. Penske. can i freshen your coffee, sir?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3935

Reading between the lines, I assume Bush was involved, yes?

SlaveNoMore · 09-07-2006, 03:50 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
I haven't figured out yet what I'd need to show you for you to say it's torture. Which is odd, because . . . .

. . . . you seem to be OK with torture in any event, so I'm not sure why you're so invested in arguing that torture is not torture.

"torture, torture, torture" - the left sounds like Chicken Little

Where do you stand in the "ticking bomb" scenario?

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Even before your third point, I was going to observe that we managed to win World War II without torturing Germans and Japanese combatants.

We didn't take a lot of prisoners. Period. Given your well-read sense of history, I'm surprised you're going here.