Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Tyrone Slothrop]

BTW, how ridiculous is it that someone claiming to be a centrist is so combative about the use of medians?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Articles of IMpeachment, yes or no?

I say yes. And please, no one explain to the Dem leadership what would happen if W is removed.

I believe we need the clear resolve of a Cheney Whitehouse to deal with the remains of the axis of evil.

[Penske_Account]

From yesterday's WSJ:

Something similar happened to our national politics through these years. It is one thing to disagree with the decision to go into Iraq, to oppose it and abhor its most painful consequences. It is something else, as some [Democrats] have done, especially in Congress, to withdraw and withhold support for a presidency amid war and to work to thwart virtually every aspect of its war program in Iraq and everywhere. When a Senator Lieberman partially dissents, the party purifies itself.

This is not opposition in normal political times. This is not Social Security reform; it is not a capital-gains tax cut. It is a war, or whatever euphemism one wishes to use to describe resisting the up-and-running forces that planned 9/11, London, Madrid, the foiled airline-bomb plot and all the other murders of innocent civilians whose crime was that they affronted radical Islam.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
BTW, how ridiculous is it that someone claiming to be a centrist is so combative about the use of medians?

He is arguing in favour of accuracy and truth, no?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you really didn't like the "Ted William's frozen head" analogy?

Is there a beret on his head?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
He is arguing in favour of accuracy and truth, no?

Centrists aren't in favor of accuracy and truth unless those happed to fall in the middle of the range of views out there.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Since I'm not willing to disclose who my sources are here, we'll just leave it at that.

I'm keeping this one for posterity, Sir Plame.

[SlaveNoMore]

taxwonk
This review of a new book by Judge Richard Posner suggests that we need to conduct a balancing test before tossing aside the Constitution in the name of defending the nation against the terrorist threat:



Now, as you all know, I am no fan of Posner, and I don't agree with many of the conclusions he reaches in this book. Nevertheless, he does at least engage in the exercise of balancing costs against benefits.

Glad you could find one quote from the leading Jurist of the Age to please you.

Next week, can you get us your fav from Blackstone? If your feeling frisky, how 'bout Justinian

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'm keeping this one for posterity, Sir Plame.

I'm happy to tell you off-line, but it's outable.

eta: Us secret agents are kinda touchy about that.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
2) Cite please?

This is interesting, if somewhat long-term.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And that's fine. But yellow-dog Democrats don't pretend to be centrists.

I have met many way to the right of you.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think you misunderstand my views, but I also don't think you care.

If I misunderstand them, then every moderate to conservative on this board misunderstands them.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've told you otherwise, but again I don't think you care.

Funny, you never seem to quote any of them or ever link to anything that may disagree with the left's standards positions on stuff. You may scan them, but you only give them credence if they reconfirm your preconceived notions.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I voted to the right of you in the last California gubernatorial election, which only shows that you don't have a good imagination or a good memory.

I remember that you said you voted for McClintock. That is why I referred to the fact that Michael Moore also says he has voted for Republicans. But I have never heard you say anything that would support any of McClintocks positions. Like I have said I have never heard you say anything that could be considered conservative. Except recently you said that you might agree that the Teachers Unions are a problem, but, of course, a bigger problem is the lack of revenue. When you made that admission I almost fell of my chair.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop At the national level, I have very little fondness for Bush, Frist, and DeLay. Since they've set the tone the last several years, that leaves me pretty unhappy with the GOP.

Therefore, because they set the hostile tone, then it is logical for you to disagree with every single position they take and to give credence to every allegation that discredits them, no matter how absurd? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
At the state and local level, and in the specific area of law in which I practice, I frequently find myself on the side of the GOP. Since we don't post much about those areas here -- indeed, I'm not going to post at all about my area of practice -- you'll just have to wait until we have a drink to find how wrong you are.

That is fair.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Finally, I didn't pretend to be a centrist. You did.

I have to give you that one. You never did claim you were a centrist and I did (and I am not really one).





Did Less or Slave tell you what I look like?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Cite, please.

And let's just be clear. I'm not talking about sampling, since that's not what the data was. What are two different ways that you would determine the median income for the state of Michigan?

If you have massive grouping just above or below the Median line, the statistician will adjust the Median. Also, in order to deal with grouping, the statistician will chop up the stats, take the median of the medians and then give you that number. That is just two ways.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
From yesterday's WSJ:

Something similar happened to our national politics through these years. It is one thing to disagree with the decision to go into Iraq, to oppose it and abhor its most painful consequences. It is something else, as some [Democrats] have done, especially in Congress, to withdraw and withhold support for a presidency amid war and to work to thwart virtually every aspect of its war program in Iraq and everywhere. When a Senator Lieberman partially dissents, the party purifies itself.

This is not opposition in normal political times. This is not Social Security reform; it is not a capital-gains tax cut. It is a war, or whatever euphemism one wishes to use to describe resisting the up-and-running forces that planned 9/11, London, Madrid, the foiled airline-bomb plot and all the other murders of innocent civilians whose crime was that they affronted radical Islam.

Didn't this happen during the war of 1812, the Mexican American war, the Spanish American War, the Phillipine uprising and the Vietnam War? (it also might have happend during WWI and WWI if the government hadn't supressed political libertys? No?)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
you might agree that the Teachers Unions are a problem, but, of course, a bigger problem is the lack of revenue.

I really don't get this. revenues mean what? little kids would assume a school should be whatever their school is- poor facilities they wouldn't know. If the school has textbooks, even old ones, shouldn't those be useable? Math and science and english haven't changed much- there could be a handout with all the proof on global warming. and I don't mean schools shouldn't be better funded, I just don't see how revenues possibly explain the horrible reality of our schools.

Schools are fucked up because teachers are allowed to be substandard. Democrats play politics with the issue while another generation of poor kids is doomed to producing the next.

It is criminal. We broke the air traffic controllers union, we should outlaw unions for teachers other than negotiation of contracts.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
I have met many way to the right of you.

What we were discussing is whether you are a centrist. I admit there are Dems to the right of me. We have big tent.

If I misunderstand them, then every moderate to conservative on this board misunderstands them.

Maybe your ESP isn't all it's cracked up to be.

What issue makes you think I'm so lefty?

Funny, you never seem to quote any of them or ever link to anything that may disagree with the left's standards positions on stuff. You may scan them, but you only give them credence if they reconfirm your preconceived notions.

This board is not where I go to lay out the platform I would run on if I were a candidate for office. When I criticize lefties here, there isn't much of conversation, so why bother? I've never been a big fan of Bill Clinton, HRC or Nancy Pelosi.

I remember that you said you voted for McClintock. That is why I referred to the fact that Michael Moore also says he has voted for Republicans. But I have never heard you say anything that would support any of McClintocks positions. Like I have said I have never heard you say anything that could be considered conservative.

I've been fairly consistent in saying we need balanced budgets, and voted for McClintock for that reason. I said at the time that I thought he was the best person to be a check on the legislature. I also thought he would have been more competent than the alternatives.

Except recently you said that you might agree that the Teachers Unions are a problem, but, of course, a bigger problem is the lack of revenue. When you made that admission I almost fell of my chair.

You consistently twist my words. Why, bilmore, why? Did I really say that the lack of revenue is a "bigger" problem? I think I said that to change the curriculum you need to both make the teachers unions unhappy and to spend money, goring both sides' oxes. Go check if you like.

Therefore, because they set the hostile tone, then it is logical for you to disagree with every single position they take and to give credence to every allegation that discredits them, no matter how absurd? Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Well, "tone" was the wrong word -- I disagree fundamentally with their approach to governing. That said, I have posted here when I've agreed with them. For example, I said that the administration was right on the Dubai Ports thing. I will say that off the top of my head I can't think of an issue where I've ever agreed with Tom DeLay, so you may have me there.