Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I want to protect our citizens from harm. You want to tie the hands of those who would protect us.

That argument doesn't work.

Cops, the FBI, the military, etc. -- all are working to protect our citizens from harm all the time against all the threats.

At the same time we do put limits on what they can and can't do in pursuit of their task, and appropriately so.

Do you really want cops to have the legal right to give you The Belly Slap the next time you're stumbling drunkenly down the street at 2:00 a.m.?

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
dimfuck. I wasn't saying it does work, i was just asking those that said it doesn't how they know that.

I know that, dimfuck.

P.S. Nice dress, bitch.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
right. the completely unknown benefits vs. the concretely measurable costs. god you're dense.

HC
309-21

I never said that.

P.S. I've been asked to inform you that, due to your repeated abuse of the privilege, you've lost the right to declare victory in an argument on this Board, or to keep score in any fashion.

S_A_M
1572-3

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
P.S. I've been asked to inform you that, due to your repeated abuse of the privilege, you've lost the right to declare victory in an argument on this Board, or to keep score in any fashion.

S_A_M
1572-3

yeah right. like you'd be one of the smarter posters on one side, so that you'd be given such an important assignment. Wait. You are smart given the dull normal level of most of your fellows here. could you repeat the message and this time I'll listen.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
yeah right. like you'd be one of the smarter posters on one side, so that you'd be given such an important assignment. Wait. You are smart given the dull normal level of most of your fellows here. could you repeat the message and this time I'll listen.

I've been asked to inform you that, due to your repeated abuse of the privilege, you've lost the right to declare victory in an argument on this Board, or to keep score in any fashion.

S_A_M
1573-3

P.S. Wait . . oh crap . . . I fell into his trap.

Curse You Hank Chinaski!!! 1572-4.

[SlaveNoMore]

Secret_Agent_Man
Do you really want cops to have the legal right to give you The Belly Slap the next time you're stumbling drunkenly down the street at 2:00 a.m.?

Is that what we were talking about? Police actions within the US?

All this time, I thought we were we talking about Congressional clarification of allowable conduct during CIA interrogations on foreign soil of unmarked, un-uniformed terrorists from "armies" that are not signatories to the Geneva convention.

[SlaveNoMore]

Spanky
I don't think any of those rags have comics, Ann Landers or a sports page. Let alone Sedoku or a cross word puzzle.

What does Ann Landers think about this?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Is that what we were talking about? Police actions within the US?

All this time, I thought we were we talking about Congressional clarification of allowable conduct during CIA interrogations on foreign soil of unmarked, un-uniformed terrorists from "armies" that are not signatories to the Geneva convention.

We were.

Maybe if I say it again for him slowly this time he will get it.

When it comes to domestic policing, we do restrict the police, even though it makes us less safe (from criminals any way), in order to protect our rights. We sacrifice some safety and protection to insure our liberty.

When we are talking about interrogation on foreign soil of unmarked un-uniformed terrorists our rights are never at issue. So there is no reason to restrict the interrogators to protect our rights. Restricting them so they can not do their job as effectively as possible does not help protect our rights or benefit us in anyway, where restricting them does put us at risk.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What does Ann Landers think about this?

I am sure she supports torture 100%.

[Spanky]

If there was any of even the smallest inkling of a doubt that Hillary was going to run for President, it was put to rest last night. Bill said that "I don't know if Hillary will run but if she did run and win it would great for America".

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
We were.

Maybe if I say it again for him slowly this time he will get it.

When it comes to domestic policing, we do restrict the police, even though it makes us less safe (from criminals any way), in order to protect our rights. We sacrifice some safety and protection to insure our liberty.

When we are talking about interrogation on foreign soil of unmarked un-uniformed terrorists our rights are never at issue. So there is no reason to restrict the interrogators to protect our rights. Restricting them so they can not do their job as effectively as possible does not help protect our rights or benefit us in anyway, where restricting them does put us at risk.

this is a no brainer- which is why I kept asking them to show that it is of no use- now that they admit it probably is often useful, we can focus on the points you raise here. You're welcome.

[Tables R Us]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I take it you view their actions as barbarous. Do you want us to be like them? Personally, I see us as better than that. Why do you hate America?

The American people want terrorists tortured; they just don't want to know about it. They want factory farms too, but just don't want to know about the pain inflicted on farm animals.

The difference between Americans and terrorists is that Americans are ashamed about things like this, not that Americans don't want them done.

[Tables R Us]

Originally posted by Gattigap
People from around the world come here in part because they live in regimes that do that shit and worse, including to their own citizens. They come here and look up to this place in part because we've said we don't do that shit. They watch and eat up Rambo movies where they see the OTHER GUY doing the torturing, not our guys.

People eat up 24 because Jack Bauer tortures terrorists, and even innocent people -- whatever it takes -- to save lives.

[Tables R Us]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Military coup in Thailand.

Bummer.

Ty's worried about his favorite 3 Thai hookers?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
this is a no brainer- which is why I kept asking them to show that it is of no use- now that they admit it probably is often useful, we can focus on the points you raise here. You're welcome.

:bow2: