Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Tables R Us]

In 1806, Congress passed laws allowing Jefferson to use military tribunals on the Barbary pirates. This law was upheld in 1942 by the Supreme Court, so if terorists are pirates, Congress can use military tribunals to try them. If the Supreme Court says otherwise, as Andrew Jackson said, "John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can." Editorial Number 1 Editorial Number 2

The Geneva Convention does not apply to persons that don't represent a nation, so terrorists and pirates can't claim protection under it.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
this is a no brainer- which is why I kept asking them to show that it is of no use- now that they admit it probably is often useful, we can focus on the points you raise here. You're welcome.

This is cool. I can just declare myself as having proved a point, without having done so, and suddenly, I get to claim to be smarter than everybody who doesn't agree with me. I need to try this.

Thanks, Hank!!!!

BTW, I offered not one, but two proofs that torture, or for that matter simple coercion, don't guarantee results.

Wonk 362
Hank 10

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
This is cool. I can just declare myself as having proved a point, without having done so, and suddenly, I get to claim to be smarter than everybody who doesn't agree with me. I need to try this.

Thanks, Hank!!!!

BTW, I offered not one, but two proofs that torture, or for that matter simple coercion, don't guarantee results.

Wonk 362
Hank 10

oh. poor taxwonk! we've hinted, but never flat out said it. you. are. special. and the rest of us have 3 digits in our IQs so we can't qualify for you Olympics.

by the way. I think you hear people saying you are "normally dull" which would be accurate, of course. but what they're saying is that you are "dull normal." there is a differene.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
oh. poor taxwonk! we've hinted, but never flat out said it. you. are. special. and the rest of us have 3 digits in our IQs so we can't qualify for you Olympics.

by the way. I think you hear people saying you are "normally dull" which would be accurate, of course. but what they're saying is that you are "dull normal." there is a differene.

Vive la Differene!

When you get this full of shit, do you taste it?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Vive la Differene!

When you get this full of shit, do you taste it?

with all the personal attacks I've had to endure here from the Tys and Sams, I had almost quit this board. I did come back though because you and SS and Panda all seemed like you were interested in discussing issues instead of singling out those who beat you in arguments. Now even you must stoop to blind hate attacks? If you just ask me to stop posting here I will. you don't have to create hate to drive off alternative views.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If you just ask me to stop posting here I will.

Is that offer good only for wonk?

[Tables R Us]

Link to article

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
do you think its possible they got any names and locations and plots that have been kept, you know, secret? because if after 5 years all they got are a handful of lies, I'm sort of confused why they would fight to keep the right to do it. even if your argument is they're sadists, bush/cheney aren't actually in the rooms, are they?

I have several reasons why you're wrong on this, but I have to keep it secret. You'll just have to trust me on this.

I think it's because they are unable to admit they made a mistake in doing this. They - and especially bush - are pathologically unable to admit they ever made a mistake on anything. bush thinks he's God's anointed, so how could he do anything wrong?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is that offer good only for wonk?

If you had honored my request then i might listen to yours. of course you would have to ask by email, but still, I would take it more seriously.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
Restricting them so they can not do their job as effectively as possible does not help protect our rights or benefit us in anyway, where restricting them does put us at risk.

And what does encouraging the use of techniques that don't work get us?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Tables R Us
Link to article

Maybe you could find a more recent source, perhaps one that is even post-Cold War. Also, that summary says nothing about the veracity of the information obtained which, in the end, is what it's all about. So it makes the detainee anxious - nobody disputes that.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tables R Us
In 1806, Congress passed laws allowing Jefferson to use military tribunals on the Barbary pirates. This law was upheld in 1942 by the Supreme Court, so if terorists are pirates, Congress can use military tribunals to try them. If the Supreme Court says otherwise, as Andrew Jackson said, "John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can." Editorial Number 1 Editorial Number 2

The Geneva Convention does not apply to persons that don't represent a nation, so terrorists and pirates can't claim protection under it.

Wow. Well that pretty much puts an end to that argument.

:dance: :dance2: :sportswav

[SlaveNoMore]

Tables R Us
People eat up 24 because Jack Bauer tortures terrorists, and even innocent people -- whatever it takes -- to save lives.

Stop stealing my material, old man.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
And what does encouraging the use of techniques that don't work get us?

No where. But rights don't figure into the equation. Obviously you want them to use techniques that work, otherwise what is the point.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Maybe you could find a more recent source, perhaps one that is even post-Cold War. Also, that summary says nothing about the veracity of the information obtained which, in the end, is what it's all about. So it makes the detainee anxious - nobody disputes that.

In SS's book the guy said one interrogation technique was to bring in a person that spoke arabic and was in a persian gulf state uniform (Saudi, Kuwait, etc). The detainees knew that gulf states militarys used torture and got worried that they would be turned over to these guys. According to the reviews of the books this was on of the most effective techniques for obtaining information: threat of torture.