Posting Towards Gomorrah

[SlaveNoMore]

Was on a better roll today than even SAM:

I, of course, read the key judgments on the NIE. I agree with their conclusion that because of our successes against the leadership of al Qaeda, the enemy is becoming more diffuse and independent. I'm not surprised the enemy is exploiting the situation in Iraq and using it as a propaganda tool to try to recruit more people to their -- to their murderous ways.
Some people have guessed what's in the report and have concluded that going into Iraq was a mistake. I strongly disagree. I think it's naive. I think it's a mistake for people to believe that going on the offense against people that want to do harm to the American people makes us less safe. The terrorists fight us in Iraq for a reason: They want to try to stop a young democracy from developing, just like they're trying to fight another young democracy in Afghanistan. And they use it as a recruitment tool, because they understand the stakes. They understand what will happen to them when we defeat them in Iraq.

You know, to suggest that if we weren't in Iraq, we would see a rosier scenario with fewer extremists joining the radical movement requires us to ignore 20 years of experience.We weren't in Iraq when we got attacked on September the 11th. We weren't in Iraq, and thousands of fighters were trained in terror camps inside your country, Mr. President [Karzai]. We weren't in Iraq when they first attacked the World Trade Center in 1993. We weren't in Iraq when they bombed the Cole. We weren't in Iraq when they blew up our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. My judgment is, if we weren't in Iraq, they'd find some other excuse, because they have ambitions. They kill in order to achieve their objectives.

You know, in the past, Osama bin Laden used Somalia as an excuse for people to join his jihadist movement. In the past, they used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It was a convenient way to try to recruit people to their jihadist movement. They've used all kinds of excuses.

This government is going to do whatever it takes to protect this homeland. We're not going to let their excuses stop us from staying on the offense. The best way to protect America is defeat these killers overseas so we do not have to face them here at home. We're not going to let lies and propaganda by the enemy dictate how we win this war.

Now, you know what's interesting about the NIE -- it was a intelligence report done last April. As I understand, the conclusions -- the evidence on the conclusions reached was stopped being gathered on February -- at the end of February. And here we are, coming down the stretch in an election campaign, and it's on the front page of your newspapers. Isn't that interesting? Somebody has taken it upon themselves to leak classified information for political purposes.

I talked to John Negroponte today, the DNI. You know, I think it's a bad habit for our government to declassify every time there's a leak, because it means that it's going to be hard to get good product out of our analysts. Those of you who have been around here long enough know what I'm talking about. But once again, there's a leak out of our government, coming right down the stretch in this campaign, -- to create confusion in the minds of the American people, in my judgment, is why they leaked it.

And so we're going to -- I told the DNI to declassify this document. You can read it for yourself. We'll stop all the speculation, all the politics about somebody saying something about Iraq, somebody trying to confuse the American people about the nature of this enemy. And so John Negroponte, the DNI, is going to declassify the document as quickly as possible. He'll declassify the key judgments for you to read yourself. And he'll do so in such a way that we'll be able to protect sources and methods that our intelligence community uses. And then everybody can draw their own conclusions about what the report says.

And on Clinton (the retired one):

You know, look, Caren, I've watched all this finger-pointing and naming of names, and all that stuff. Our objective is to secure the country. And we've had investigations, we had the 9/11 Commission, we had the look back this, we've had the look back that. The American people need to know that we spend all our time doing everything that we can to protect them. So I'm not going to comment on other comments.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I hate the use of socks on this board. Why is this guy such a flippin' pussy? He hates America but is too chickenshit to admit it under his primary?!?! Typical leftist appeaser.

i believe the sucess we are having in smashing the lefties here and their fuzzy-brained "arguments" have caused them to revert to socks. but they do use socks in a healthy way, like you and i once would. no, their sock usage displays a moral failing. In a sense, much like al queda, they are becoming unfocused and scattered, unsure and unconfident.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
It seemed pretty clear from the polling at the time that most people thought that Elian should be reunited with his only remaining parent. Hardliner Cuban Americans were very surprised that the rest of the country didn't immediately take their side.

I think people's instinct to return a child to their sole remaining parent is usually the right move and to give the parent the benefit of the doubt in how to raise them. What I think the American people forgot was how bad it is to live in Cuba.

If his father had elected to take his son to a Gulag in the Soviet Union people may have had a different opinion. I think the fact that the father wanted to return with Elian to Cuba showed that he was an unfit parent.

[Spanky]

David Koresh was a multiple felon who needed to be brought to justice. Freedom of religion is not a license to break the law, and the right to bear arms does not give you the right to shoot federal agents. It sucks that he exploited children, and used them as shields, but the responsiblity for the death of these children rests squarely on the shoulders of Mr. Koresh (and their idiot parents who followed this guy). In my mind the only mistake Janet Reno made was to not storm the compound with tanks and armored vehicles seconds after our brave men and women in uniform were killed.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think people's instinct to return a child to their sole remaining parent is usually the right move and to give the parent the benefit of the doubt in how to raise them. What I think the American people forgot was how bad it is to live in Cuba.

If his father had elected to take his son to a Gulag in the Soviet Union people may have had a different opinion. I think the fact that the father wanted to return with Elian to Cuba showed that he was an unfit parent.

2.

Of course Spank remember, for the left, Cuba is a liberal's paradise. Where guys like Wonk et al would draw the line is if an American mom with childe defected to someplace like North Korea and died in the process and the dad was trying to get the kid back. No way would they want a child brought back to the the land of Bush for fear he would waterboard the kid or listen to his phone calls.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky

Freedom of religion is not a license to break the law,

Explain the liberals defense of Radical Islam?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2.

Of course Spank remember, for the left, Cuba is a liberal's paradise. Where guys like Wonk et al would draw the line is if an American mom with childe defected to someplace like North Korea and died in the process and the dad was trying to get the kid back. No way would they want a child brought back to the the land of Bush for fear he would waterboard the kid or listen to his phone calls.

Why do you hate children so, Penske? Remember that Jesus said "suffer the little children to come unto me."

America has no room for parents who hate children.

[SlaveNoMore]

taxwonk
America has no room for parents who hate children.

Somewhere, at this very moment, the leaders of NARAL and Planned Parenthood are planning a Million Person March to storm down on your house.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Somewhere, at this very moment, the leaders of NARAL and Planned Parenthood are planning a Million Person March to storm down on your house.

That's no big. They're easily distracted with cardboard cutouts of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

[Spanky]

I love it when the press, he thinks nothing should be kept secret, including information that could damage national security, all of a sudden decide discretion is more important than the public's right to know.

The Associated (with terrorists) Press

By Michelle Malkin

The Associated Press proudly calls itself the "essential global news network" and a "bastion of the people's right to know around the world." But when it comes to the "people's right to know" whether Associated Press employees are cooperating with terrorists overseas, the "essential global news network's" motto is: Bug off.


On April 12, I learned from military sources that an Associated Press photographer in Iraq, Fallujah native Bilal Hussein, had been captured in Ramadi in an apartment with insurgents and a cache of weapons. This was news. I asked the AP for confirmation. Corporate spokesman Jack Stokes informed me that company officials were "looking into reports that Mr. Hussein was detained by the U.S. military in Iraq but have no further details at this time." After reporting the alleged detention on my blog ( michellemalkin.com/archives/005941.htm), I followed up several more times with AP over the past five months for status updates on Hussein. No reply.


On Sept. 17, the Associated Press finally acknowledged that Hussein was being detained. The AP's overdue revelation was likely part of an attempt to drum up sympathy for Hussein, who has made critical public statements against our troops in Fallujah, and undermine Bush administration interrogation efforts involving military detainees. The AP article not only confirmed Hussein's capture, it also revealed (buried deep in the story) that it knew of Hussein's capture from at least May 7 — when it received an e-mail from U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Jack Gardner revealing bombshell details:


"The military said Hussein was captured with two insurgents, including Hamid Hamad Motib, an alleged leader of al-Qaida in Iraq. 'He has close relationships with persons known to be responsible for kidnappings, smuggling, improvised explosive device (IED) attacks and other attacks on coalition forces,' according to a May 7 e-mail from U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Jack Gardner, who oversees all coalition detainees in Iraq.


In fact, the Pentagon said on Monday, after three separate independent reviews, the military had deemed Hussein a security threat with "strong ties to known insurgents . . . involved in activities that were well outside the scope of what you would expect a journalist to be doing in that country." Hussein "tested positive for traces of explosives."


Let me repeat that: An Associated (with terrorists) Press journalist gets caught with an alleged al Qaeda leader and tests positive for bomb-making materials. That. Is. News. How does a news organization explain away its decision to sit on it for five months? Like this: "The AP has worked quietly until now, believing that would be the best approach."


The best approach to journalism? No. The best approach to suppressing a damning connection to terrorists.


The mainstream media enjoys mocking bloggers as journalistic wannabes who don't do any "real" reporting and have no concern for the "public interest." But as in the case of the Reuters photo faking debacle this summer, it is bloggers in their little home offices — not the professionals on the ground thousands of miles away — who smoked out a war story with profound national security implications. Well before I reported on Hussein's capture, military bloggers and media watchdog bloggers had raised persistent questions over the past two years about Hussein's relationship with terrorists in Iraq and whether his photos were staged in collusion with our enemies. (For a thorough overview, see http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/cat_bilal_hussein.php.)


Hussein's up-close-and-personal insurgent propaganda photos include a Pulitzer Prize-winning image of four terrorists in Fallujah firing a mortar and small arms at our troops in November 2004, several chilling photos with terrorists before, during and after the Iraqi desert execution of kidnapped Italian civilian hostage Salvatore Santoro, and repeat images of Sunni locals in Theater of Jihad poses.


In an investigation of war photo staging and fakery earlier this spring, National Journal's Neil Munro exposed another dubious Hussein photo taken in October 2005 of a purported funeral image outside Ramadi. An accompanying article claimed the U.S. had bombed the crowd including 18 children. But according to the military, video footage of the air strike against terrorist roadside bombers in that incident showed only what appeared to be grown men where the bomb struck. Munro reported: "AP officials declined to make Hussein available for an interview."


The Hussein case may be the tip of the iceberg. In December 2005, AP television footage was used to spread bogus reports (see http://www.rantingprofs.com/rantingp...u_gonna_b.html) of a fake "uprising" in Ramadi. Earlier this spring independent milblogger Bill Roggio identified another suspicious AP/Hussein-photographed scene in Ramadi (see http://billroggio.com/archives/2006/...orner_in_r.php). And blogger Clarice Feldman at The American Thinker recently highlighted an Iraqi intelligence document that bragged about "one of our sources (the degree of trust in him is good) who works in the American Associated Press Agency" (see http://www.americanthinker.com/comme...mments_id=6058).


I e-mailed the AP yesterday to find out whether any other AP employees are currently in military detention. The people have a "right to know," don't they?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
I love it when the press, he thinks nothing should be kept secret, including information that could damage national security, all of a sudden decide discretion is more important than the public's right to know.

The Associated (with terrorists) Press

By Michelle Malkin

blah, blah, blah....

Spanky, Spanky, Spanky. Hasn't Penske told you that the vile sewage from Malkin is considered here to be the right's equivalent to Daily Kos?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
i believe the sucess we are having in smashing the lefties here and their fuzzy-brained "arguments" have caused them to revert to socks. but they do use socks in a healthy way, like you and i once would. no, their sock usage displays a moral failing. In a sense, much like al queda, they are becoming unfocused and scattered, unsure and unconfident.

I see the impending Democratic blowout victory in November is getting to you, Penske et al. Like Santorum, Allen and bush in his last press conference, you're becoming defensive, wildly lashing out with absurd claims and transparent lies. You've had your fun, I hope - now please have the grace to stand aside and let the adults clean up your messes.

[Spanky]

:poke:

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Spanky, Spanky, Spanky. Hasn't Penske told you that the vile sewage from Malkin is considered here to be the right's equivalent to Daily Kos?

When I criticize a passage, even if it comes from a suspect source, I always point out the specific problems. I don't agree with everything she says in past columns, but this column seems unimpeachable. Where is the flaw in her logic? Where are the cites to the dodgy sources? Where is the ridiculous statements made without foundation?

If she is similar to Kos, show me why.

BTW: This flattering picture aside, you have to admit, when it comes to commentators she is in the top five percent as far as looks go. How many attractive female commentators do the left have?

[SlaveNoMore]

Sexual Harassment Panda
I see the impending Democratic blowout victory in November is getting to you, Penske et al.

Have you checked tradesports lately? A GOP Senate is a lock. Despite some inevitable DNC House gains, it's looking more and more like we will retain that branch too. So what the F are you talking about?

Like Santorum, Allen...

Allen? The Webb campaign is now trying to smear him with the claim he called someone a "nigger" 20 years ago. This one week after they tried to out him as a "jew". Maybe he should be defensive. Maybe Webb et. al. should be fucking embarrassed.

and bush [sic] in his last press conference, you're becoming defensive, wildly lashing out with absurd claims and transparent lies...

Bush [capitalized] kicked the shit out of that AP idiot Jennifer Loven today. Knocked her ass out of the ballpark. Grand Slam. Pretty impressive for a chimp.

Oh, better yet - when Karzai mocked her with his solid stare and the "where were you when people jumped 80 flights?" speech - that was just the cherry on top.

Outclassed. Your mouthpieces are bush league.

Now - to get back to your point about defensive - do we dare talk about Clinton's apoplectic stroke on National TV? Do you even want to go there?

You've had your fun, I hope - now please have the grace to stand aside and let the adults clean up your messes.

Adults? Who's your daddy now? Would that be the European elitists? Or the UN? Or George Soros? Or the Islamists?

Your party bends over and gets ridden by so many foreign elements these days, its difficult to tell who's your favorite Top.

[SlaveNoMore]

Spanky
Where is the flaw in her logic? Where are the cites to the dodgy sources? Where is the ridiculous statements made without foundation?

If she is similar to Kos, show me why.

The obvious flaw is that she doesn't kow-tow to the Left, she doesn't lie about the Administration, she doesn't publish doctored photos, she doesn't lead stories with misleading Headlines and she doesn't defend terrorists on the payroll.

In other words, she doesn't work for Reuters or the AP.

Get with it, Spanky.