Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account

eta: ps: do you have a cite to a quote that one of his followers has made in the last 100 years where such follower said soemthing of the sort Slave noted and predicated that statement on Luther's influence, guidance, or authority etc.

• On the August 22, 2005 broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson said of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, "I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop." Robertson also said that Chávez was "going to make Venezuela a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent" and called the elected leader an "out-of-control dictator... a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly." [21]

[SlaveNoMore]

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Start with Luther.

Vandross?

Because if you mean Martin, I'm fairly sure he's been dead for over 450 years.

I love how you guys constantly try to equate actions by Christians from hundreds of years ago to the Muslim barbarism going on today.

Is today "Idiot Friday"? Did I not get the memo?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
so what, stop being an idiot, what matters is the specific context. In the present day, the number of people being killed or oppressed in the name of a Judeo-Christian god pales in comparison to the number being killed in the name of Allah. If you think that there is a moral equivalency between bin Laden and JImmy Swaggart etc et al you are more delusional than the elitist demo-socialists you support.

See my Response to Slave for references to modern-day Judeo-Christian murderers. Then look into the past and admit that it's only in the very recent past that Protestants and Catholics weren't killing each other in Belfast. And how long ago was it that Catholics were killing Heugenots in France, Jews in Spain, France, Italy, Flanders, England, Saxony, Bavaria, etc.?

You want context? There's your fucking context, my brother. Islam is the largest religion on the planet. How many of its adherents are engaged in violence right now? And yet you claim it's okay to paint them all with one brush?

And you're telling me to stop being stupid.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Do you mean to ignore a millenium of history? Choose a pope from the 9th to 16th century.

You may also select any of the christian ministers in Salem.

And Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have gotten pretty close.

Is history from 500 plus years ago really relevant to create a moral equivalancy? Sure, people got killed 500 years ago in the name of christianity, and then the church lost power/changed its ways. We are living in today. If the crusades or inquisition were going on today, that would be problematic. they are not, they ancient history. You can say radical islam is a tiny minority of the religion, but thousands of people are dying from it and in its name on an annual basis and there is global unrest and wars worldwide based on it. It seems to be a little mroe of ciurrent day problem than the inquisitioons or the crusades.

As for Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, again, compare and contrast deaths that they or thbeir preaching have directly or indirectly caused versus those deaths that have occured in the name of Allah as carried out by Al Aqeada in the last 6 years.

[SlaveNoMore]

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

• On the August 22, 2005 broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson said of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, "I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop."

• Did he invoke the name of Jesus when making this non-declaration, declaration (since he isnt saying "You must go kill Hugo Chavez")? Er, no.
  
  

  Robertson also said that Chávez was "going to make Venezuela a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent" and called the elected leader an "out-of-control dictator... a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly." [21]

And he was right on the money.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

• On the August 22, 2005 broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson said of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, "I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop." Robertson also said that Chávez was "going to make Venezuela a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent" and called the elected leader an "out-of-control dictator... a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly." [21]

How many deaths or wars have resulted from it?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
How many deaths or wars have resulted from it?

Iraq counts.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
going back in history is irrelevant at this point and you know it. Context. Stop being stupid.

As for the relatively contemporary people you cite, tally the head count of deaths that rest on their shoulders or as result of their words. Compare it just to the deaths on September 11, and then justify your twisted moral equivalency.

Fuck you. History is not irrelevant. If it is, then stop referring to Muhammed. The context is Religion. People are killing each other over it in the US, hte UK, the Middle East, Darfur, Nepal, Tibet, Myanmar, Indonesia, Germany, France, Rwanda, Uganda....

And that's today. Literally. Right now.

Quit being such a fucking bigot.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
going back in history is irrelevant at this point and you know it.

Why? If you suggest that Islam is in itself a failed religion, then it is highly relevant that a religion that could be deemed to have failed in a similar way several hundred years ago is now touted as a model.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Vandross?

Because if you mean Martin, I'm fairly sure he's been dead for over 450 years.

I love how you guys constantly try to equate actions by Christians from hundreds of years ago to the Muslim barbarism going on today.

Is today "Idiot Friday"? Did I not get the memo?

Apparently you didn't need the memo. You and Penske seem to be the authors. And, by the way, what "you guys" are you referring to? You've become so proficient at using generalities and thinking in labels I can't keep track any more.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
See my Response to Slave for references to modern-day Judeo-Christian murderers. Then look into the past and admit that it's only in the very recent past that Protestants and Catholics weren't killing each other in Belfast. And how long ago was it that Catholics were killing Heugenots in France, Jews in Spain, France, Italy, Flanders, England, Saxony, Bavaria, etc.?

How many deaths were there in Ireland in the last 40 years based on sectarian violence? As many as on 911? Slightly more? I think you lose, plus it was a concentrated area. If the only Islam generated war was in an area the size of Ireland and as geo-strategically unimportant as Ireland, the effect globally would be nil, we would not be having this discussion.

As for your other examples, have they occurred in the last 100 years? Get relevant. Violence and oppression from JUdeo-Christian groups is as big a problem as Hitler's Nazi party (although his intellectual anti-semitic descendants throughout Weuopre are a problem as they support the jihadis)
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Originally posted by taxwonk


You want context? There's your fucking context, my brother. Islam is the largest religion on the planet. How many of its adherents are engaged in violence right now? And yet you claim it's okay to paint them all with one brush?

And you're telling me to stop being stupid.

Yes, you should. Please rationalize how modern day Judeo-Christian adherents are posing as big a global threat to peace as radical Islam. Maybe its only a couple tens of millions of radical adherents, but there is no liberal or moderate group of Islamics holding the radical side in check.

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[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Iraq counts.

Pat Robertson's comment re: Chavez precipitated Iraq? Please explain.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Fuck you. History is not irrelevant. If it is, then stop referring to Muhammed. The context is Religion. People are killing each other over it in the US, hte UK, the Middle East, Darfur, Nepal, Tibet, Myanmar, Indonesia, Germany, France, Rwanda, Uganda....

And that's today. Literally. Right now.

Quit being such a fucking bigot.

I am not, I am looking at the facts. IN all (or at least the superduper majority) of the pleaces you cite, the killings are predicated on radicla Islam and the authority of Muhammed (which is why he is relevant). Show me the stats where I am wrong?

Sopt being a wilfully blind idiot.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Why? If you suggest that Islam is in itself a failed religion, then it is highly relevant that a religion that could be deemed to have failed in a similar way several hundred years ago is now touted as a model.

I didn't say failed, what if I am suggesting it is failing? Doesn't mean its irredeemable, but there has to be some movement from inside to call the problematic wing to account.