Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I imagine that the congressional subpeona will get quite a workout in January.

Biggest reasons for R congressmen to help their fellow Rs this Nov.

Odd but possible outcome to November election: R's retain House by the skin of their teeth, but then see control slip as a result of resignations and special elections.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I have no problem with flirting with interns, or even fucking them. If Foley -- an unmarried, apparently gay man -- had openly dated an adult, I'd be fine with that, assuming that he was not at the same time openly railing against people who conduct themselves like he does.

But Mr. "protect the children" was stalking 16yos. A little different, don't you think?

But, your point about William Jefferson was an excellent one. It's okay for Rs to stalk little boys because, after all, a former D took a bribe.

Jefferson's a bad dude. So, what's the score this year between Ds and Rs?

The problem is that full control of the government by the Rs has brought a bit of a feeding frenzy to DC - they can't control the budget because they have to keep their friends happy. It's not just the wanton corruption (though Abramhoff and DeLay show there is plenty of that), but also the unchecked pork. And, at the moment, full credit for the unchecked pork goes to the Rs.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I have no problem with flirting with interns, or even fucking them. If Foley -- an unmarried, apparently gay man -- had openly dated an adult, I'd be fine with that, assuming that he was not at the same time openly railing against people who conduct themselves like he does.

But Mr. "protect the children" was stalking 16yos. A little different, don't you think?

But, your point about William Jefferson was an excellent one. It's okay for Rs to stalk little boys because, after all, a former D took a bribe.

Did you take any of my posts to be defending Foley? I was pointing out to G3 that it was not a corruption issue, that's all, and that the most recent congressional corruption scandal involved a democrat (although, of course, more of them will involve R's these days because there's not much advantage to be gained by paying off the party out of power)

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't know. Is that relevant when a Congressman is soliciting a kid who lives in Louisiana?

Interestingly, a number of Rs on this board have argued that Clinton's blow job from Monica Lewinsky constituted rape because of his position of power over her. I would disagree -- she was a college grad, of legal age for basically anything, and being star-fuck-struck doesn't equal being a rape victim.

But a 16-yo boy does present a different problem. Not that the Rs here are rushing to point it out, of course.



eta: All that said, it is my sincere hope that Rs -- here and everywhere -- will stand on the "age of consent in DC" argument. Please, Spanky -- make it happen. 'twould be another triumph for the willfully dim-witted.

I don't know about other people on this board, but I never said it was rape. But I have heard feminists make that argument about other similar cases. In addition, many feminists used to argue that a male having sex with a subordinate was automatically harassment. Funny how all those arguments disappeared after Clinton was serviced in the White House.

As far as I am concered the only laws Clinton broke was committing perjury and obstructing justice.

The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that you circle the wagons around your guys where we push ours right out. If Clinton were a Republican the party leadership would have demanded that he resign the second it was shown that the allegations were true.

Gingrich, Livingston etc. were all thrown out like trash when scandals came to light. This guy left Congress right away. If he were a Dem he would be trying to hold onto his seat.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
And, at the moment, full credit for the unchecked pork goes to the Rs.

John Murtha would like to claim credit for at least some pork.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Spanky
The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that you circle the wagons around your guys where we push ours right out.

That's how it worked with DeLay?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Did you take any of my posts to be defending Foley? I was pointing out to G3 that it was not a corruption issue, that's all, and that the most recent congressional corruption scandal involved a democrat (although, of course, more of them will involve R's these days because there's not much advantage to be gained by paying off the party out of power)

Depends on your view of corruption. I wouldn't limit it to financial improprieties. But, point taken - the key to whether this scandal has legs is whether there was an abuse of Foley's or Hastert's office; if it's just pederasty, it's a different matter.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
John Murtha would like to claim credit for at least some pork.

Yes, he seems to have done better than most Ds on this score.

I think some level of pork in politics is inevitable -- the question is, do you have checks and balances to contain it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
That's how it worked with DeLay?

There was no smoking gun in Delay's case. Generally, and of course there are exceptions, the Republicans and Dems circle the wagons. But with the Repubs, once the smoking gun comes out, the dude is gone. The Democrats generally fight on until the bitter end.

If it came to light (and it was established fact that they coudln't deny) that either Bush I or Bush II had received a blow job in the oval office they would have been pushed out quicker than you can say Spanky.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky


The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that you circle the wagons around your guys where we push ours right out. If Clinton were a Republican the party leadership would have demanded that he resign the second it was shown that the allegations were true.

Uh, Hastert knew about this guy in 2005.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
There was no smoking gun in Delay's case. Generally, and of course there are exceptions, the Republicans and Dems circle the wagons. But with the Repubs, once the smoking gun comes out, the dude is gone. The Democrats generally fight on until the bitter end.

If it came to light (and it was established fact that they coudln't deny) that either Bush I or Bush II had received a blow job in the oval office they would have been pushed out quicker than you can saw spanky.

What if it turned out that one of them lied to convince our nation to go to war?

eta: Is "smoking gun" code for something?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Pssst. Hank. I think you mean COPPA. Unless you're talking about keeping your insurance one you leave your job. Which I think is probably another thing that Mr. Foley needs to worry about.

COBRA. When we left gov. employ my wife was 5 months pregnant. We could not extend our existing insurance since COBRA* did not apply to any Fed Gov, and the new place did not cover preexisiting illness, Cha-ching.


*maybe at some point since they have fixed this, but Imeant as passed.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Spanky
But with the Repubs, once the smoking gun comes out, the dude is gone. .

I guess you and I have a different sense of quickness. RT was bitching for an awful long time about him before he resigned.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What if it turned out that one of them lied to convince our nation to go to war?

2. that's why I don't understand your side's serial obsession with each new scandal. you've already proven the "lie the country into war" thing- hell that's treason or worse even.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
COBRA. When we left gov. employ my wife was 5 months pregnant. We could not extend our existing insurance since COBRA* did not apply to any Fed Gov, and the new place did not cover preexisiting illness, Cha-ching.


*maybe at some point since they have fixed this, but Imeant as passed.

There are COBRA-equivalent rights for federal employees now.