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Shape Shifter · 10-04-2006, 10:16 AM

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Hank Chinaski · 10-04-2006, 10:18 AM

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those kids are all under 10 or so. that's different.

ltl/fb · 10-04-2006, 10:19 AM

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To be fair, most if not all of those kids appear to be under 16.

ltl/fb · 10-04-2006, 10:24 AM

So, John "Torture Memo" Yu was on NPR this morning and said (I paraphrase), "By passing the law [on detainees], Congress was saying that they felt the alternative was too expensive."** Interview responded "It's just too expensive to provide habeas corpus??" and he responded "Yes, they use up the resources of our judicial system, and would be expensive to the military because of the necessity of providing witnesses etc."

Now, if he had made the argument that by "expensive" he was not speaking in monetary terms, but was more saying that the increased risk that sensitive information would become public, I could see that.

I just can't see Congress doing a monetary cost-benefit analysis. And I don't think that the GAO or that other place I can't remember the name of (it starts with an O, but all I can think of is OPEB because I'm a pension geek) did a cost analysis of the bill.

All in all, I found it amusing.

**I missed the beginning of the interview, but had been listening for a bit, and this was the point where I said to myself, yup, that is definitely John Yu.

Hank Chinaski · 10-04-2006, 10:32 AM

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To be fair, most if not all of those kids appear to be under 16.

Jinx! let's both PM SS what we're thinking about for lunch and see if we match, K?

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-04-2006, 10:38 AM

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So, John "Torture Memo" Yu was on NPR this morning and said (I paraphrase), "By passing the law [on detainees], Congress was saying that they felt the alternative was too expensive."** Interview responded "It's just too expensive to provide habeas corpus??" and he responded "Yes, they use up the resources of our judicial system, and would be expensive to the military because of the necessity of providing witnesses etc."

Now, if he had made the argument that by "expensive" he was not speaking in monetary terms, but was more saying that the increased risk that sensitive information would become public, I could see that.

I just can't see Congress doing a monetary cost-benefit analysis. And I don't think that the GAO or that other place I can't remember the name of (it starts with an O, but all I can think of is OPEB because I'm a pension geek) did a cost analysis of the bill.

All in all, I found it amusing.

**I missed the beginning of the interview, but had been listening for a bit, and this was the point where I said to myself, yup, that is definitely John Yu.

Yoo smacks of Posner: Let's take the constitutional requirement of habeas, and decide that it really means that there's a right to habeas unless it gets expensive. We don't need no stinking original intent.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-04-2006, 10:38 AM

Replaced_Texan · 10-04-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
So, John "Torture Memo" Yu was on NPR this morning and said (I paraphrase), "By passing the law [on detainees], Congress was saying that they felt the alternative was too expensive."** Interview responded "It's just too expensive to provide habeas corpus??" and he responded "Yes, they use up the resources of our judicial system, and would be expensive to the military because of the necessity of providing witnesses etc."

Now, if he had made the argument that by "expensive" he was not speaking in monetary terms, but was more saying that the increased risk that sensitive information would become public, I could see that.

I just can't see Congress doing a monetary cost-benefit analysis. And I don't think that the GAO or that other place I can't remember the name of (it starts with an O, but all I can think of is OPEB because I'm a pension geek) did a cost analysis of the bill.

All in all, I found it amusing.

**I missed the beginning of the interview, but had been listening for a bit, and this was the point where I said to myself, yup, that is definitely John Yu.

2. I was thinking the exact same thing and wondering when McCain, et al had time to do a cost benefit analysis while they were arguing with the White House.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-04-2006, 10:42 AM

Incredible.

ltl/fb · 10-04-2006, 10:44 AM

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Yoo smacks of Posner: Let's take the constitutional requirement of habeas, and decide that it really means that there's a right to habeas unless it gets expensive. We don't need no stinking original intent.

I am thinking Posner would have focused on the non-monetized cost of the increased amount of leaking of sensitive information. But I do not know for a fact. I also think that Yu is probably kicking himself for not thinking on his feet fast enough and wishes he could have a do-over.

OK, actually, he seems like an arrogant prick so he probably isn't, but thinks the interviewer and the world in general are stupid and so he should have spelled out for them what is totally obvious to someone like him.