Posting Towards Gomorrah - Page 224

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-20-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I disagree you with you there. Lamont is not that lefty. I suspect that two things drove voters to Lamont: (1) Iraq, and (2) Joe's penchant for whacking Democrats as a matter of style.

I'm sure you're right about his style -- but that all came to a head over the handling of Iraq -- which is an issue. In fact, it is the biggest issue.

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What you say made sense a decade or two years ago. But Democrats who strike a bipartisan pose with this Admininstration get used, and get nothing for it. Except the ego-striking that Joe loves. Most politicians are self-aggrandizing, but those who do it at the expense of their own party are in a different category.

This Administration won't be around forever. It would be good if future adminstrations didn't handle things the same way, although I fear a cycle of revenge. Gotta think long term.

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Lieberman -- who needs GOP votes as an independent -- was asked in an interview published today in the Hartford Courant whether America would be better off if his lifelong party took back the House. The Courant reports that Lieberman responded: "Uh, I haven't thought about that enough to give an answer."

You like this side of him?

I'm not sure why he answered that way. Not a politically astute answer.

Maybe he is taking personally all the shit slung at him by many on the left of the Party and/or thinking that the world might not be a better place if they were in charge and we immediately pulled out of Iraq.

S_A_M

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-20-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I'm sure you're right about his style -- but that all came to a head over the handling of Iraq -- which is an issue. In fact, it is the biggest issue.

It is. And yet -- as I pointed out -- other Democrats with essentially Joe's position on Iraq -- like Feinstein and Cantwell -- haven't had his troubles and do not inspire the same sort of distaste among Dems.

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This Administration won't be around forever. It would be good if future adminstrations didn't handle things the same way, although I fear a cycle of revenge. Gotta think long term.

In other words, it would be good if conservatives would put aside their own views about what's best for the country and instead act according to an agenda based on what centrists think. It's not a question of revenge. One of Tom DeLay's insights was this: If you can pass a bill through the House with 220 Representatives and 51 Senators, why should you make concessions to pad the margin of victory? This is how the GOP is playing the game. "It would be good" if Iraqs stopped fighting each other, too.

Sadly, Joe's politics, such as they are, largely amount to saying that such things "would be good," and thereby scoring points as a voice of reason, without doing anything about anything.

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I'm not sure why he answered that way. Not a politically astute answer.

He was trying not to alienate Republicans. Any Democrat who sees that answer and cares is already voting against him.

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Maybe he is taking personally all the shit slung at him by many on the left of the Party . . . .

There is that possibility. Which is why people worry about him crossing over the aisle.

Penske_Account · 10-20-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Thank you. This is the kind of approach to problems that is going to cost the Rs in November. One thing about both Lamont and Lieberman, they each are ready to focus on and deal with issues, rather than the Rover strategy of deny, distract and distort.

Coming from a typical faux-intllectual elitist this means nothing to real Americans in the heartland. Much like 2004, the election will show that America rejects the appeasement and godlessly socialist ways of the dems.

There is a reason why the Dems have not had a president who has been able to acheive even 50% of the popular vote in 30 years......America rejects the D message. Au reviour!

sgtclub · 10-20-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is there something about Lieberman you actually like, or do you just take a Penske-like pleasure in things that irritate the left?

Both.

Penske_Account · 10-20-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Both.

Bravo!

Hank Chinaski · 10-20-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Thank you. This is the kind of approach to problems that is going to cost the Rs in November. One thing about both Lamont and Lieberman, they each are ready to focus on and deal with issues, rather than the Rover strategy of deny, distract and distort.

Please, please, hit us again!

after 6 years of Rs controlling everything your party's main policy point for the election is: "Iraq is bad."

you have no soul, no plan and frankly no hope of winning.

Penske_Account · 10-20-2006, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
after 6 years of Rs controlling everything your party's main policy point for the election is: "Iraq is bad."

you have no soul, no plan and frankly no hope of winning.

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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-20-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
after 6 years of Rs controlling everything your party's main policy point for the election is: "Iraq is bad."

I'm not a D, and I see more than just Iraq as bad.

Hank Chinaski · 10-20-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm not a D, and I see more than just Iraq as bad.

the deficits increasing from now to 2015- they're predicting the Dems win?

Spanky · 10-20-2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Candidate seeks textbooks as shields

OKLAHOMA CITY --A candidate for state superintendent of schools said Thursday he wants thick used textbooks placed under every student's desk so they can use them for self-defense during school shootings.

"People might think it's kind of weird, crazy," said Republican Bill Crozier of Union City, a teacher and former Air Force security officer. "It is a practical thing; it's something you can do. It might be a way to deflect those bullets until police go there."

Crozier and a group of aides produced a 10-minute video Tuesday in which they shoot math, language and telephone books with a variety of weapons, including an AK-47 assault rifle and a 9mm pistol. The rifle bullet penetrated two books, including a calculus textbook, but the pistol bullet was stopped by a single book.

linky

Why don't we just review education Democrat style: Social promotion, teacher tenure, no testing for students, no testing for teachers, and fighting every attempt across the country to force school districts to devote at least 67% of their money on classrooms.

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-20-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
after 6 years of Rs controlling everything your party's main policy point for the election is: "Iraq is bad."

That's a pretty damn big policy point, though, isn't it Hank?

It makes perfect sense that Iraq would be the main point, given that it has sucked the vast majority of this Administration's time and energy since the invasion. I'd bet there are other policies too - sort of a whole platform of them -- but they don't get as much press.

Anyhoo, the GOP won in 2000 running essentially on "Clinton is bad" -- so maybe the Iraq thing will work for us.

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you have no soul, no plan and frankly no hope of winning.

The party has plenty of soul. If anything there is too much soul and too little discipline.

You're too smart to believe that last part, which is why you start to sound so damn angry and bitter as the election approaches.

S_A_M

Spanky · 10-20-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm not a D, and I see more than just Iraq as bad.

Didn't you read George Will's column:

President Bush's tax cuts were supposed to cause a cataract of red ink. In fiscal 2006, however, federal revenue as a share of GDP was 18.4 percent, slightly above the post-1962 average of 18.2. And the federal budget deficit was $247.7 billion, just 1.9 percent of the $13.1 trillion GDP. That is below the average for the 1970s (2.1), 1980s (3.0) and 1990s (2.2).

Hank Chinaski · 10-20-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That's a pretty damn big policy point, though, isn't it Hank?

It makes perfect sense that Iraq would be the main point, given that it has sucked the vast majority of this Administration's time and energy since the invasion. I'd bet there are other policies too - sort of a whole platform of them -- but they don't get as much press.

Anyhoo, the GOP won in 2000 running essentially on "Clinton is bad" -- so maybe the Iraq thing will work for us.

The party has plenty of soul. If anything there is too much soul and too little discipline.

You're too smart to believe that last part, which is why you start to sound so damn angry and bitter as the election approaches.

S_A_M

from about mid 2004 until the election I kept begging you guys to focus on Senate elections and leave Kerry out to dry. I WANT you to take back the Senate.

Spanky · 10-20-2006, 03:57 PM

The reasons why the Dems are going to screw this election up is that they are just the anti-Republicans. They do not have a policy plan of their own. No contract with America:

Can anyone on this board say what the Dems will do if they take over congress?

What is the Democratic party's plan with Iraq?

Penske_Account · 10-20-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The reasons why the Dems are going to screw this election up is that they are just the anti-Republicans. They do not have a policy plan of their own. No contract with America:

Can anyone on this board say what the Dems will do if they take over congress?

What is the Democratic party's plan with Iraq?

Cut and run combined with future and ongoing appeasement of the terrorists and nations that support them.