Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Ritalin, Ty. It's worked for millions before, and it can help you, too. Lordy, how you skitter about.

Your question to me was, "(g) Democrats responsible for some aspects of the situation in North Korea." That's what I answered.

Golly, bilmore, I don't know where I could have gotten the notion that you thought those Democrats had been traitors.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
do you ever watch MSNBC?

Not much, but I have to confess that I sort of like Joe Scarborough.

S_A_M

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
My arguments were all about our North Korea policy under Clinton. But bilmore doesn't want to go back that far, so he has discovered that North Korea was able to build a nuclear bomb because John Kerry and others disagreed with George W. Bush.

Ah, you got Pelosi's "just make shit up if it helps" memo?

No, remember, the issue was, who's doing what currently that undercuts US policy. Had I tried to back up my assertion that this was, indeed, happening by speaking of what Clinton did when he was prez, you'd have been all over me for intentionally slipping my argument, right? Do you ever really have substantive arguments, or do you simply play word (and, apparently, memory) games?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
In an effourt to provoke a side bar from the typical politics of personal destruction that you libs so gleefully and saddeningly engage in to the detriment of America, I was in Target on Sunday and saw some boxed wine from CA and thought of Ty. In a sympathetically pitying sort of way. I vowed at the moment that if I am ever in San Francisco or Berkely or whatever haven of revolutionarry socialism down there that Ty resides in, as a way of bridging the gap, reaching out, iyw, I will treat him to a glass or two of real wine. Maybe some Pinot from the Willamette or Cab or Syrah from the Walla Walla area of Washington.

SAM, you are invited too!

I have just PayPal'ed you $15 so you can upgrade from your usual to $25+ wine when you visit ty. If you are going to try to teach him why he should upgrade, use good tools.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, you got Pelosi's "just make shit up if it helps" memo?

No, remember, the issue was, who's doing what currently that undercuts US policy. Had I tried to back up my assertion that this was, indeed, happening by speaking of what Clinton did when he was prez, you'd have been all over me for intentionally slipping my argument, right? Do you ever really have substantive arguments, or do you simply play word (and, apparently, memory) games?

Actually, you refered to "Democrats responsible for some aspects of the situation in North Korea," not "Democrats who undercut U.S. policy." If you would like to go back and revise and extend your remarks so that they don't sound crack-addled, that would be fine with me.

eta: I apologize if quoting you is a "memory game."

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Not much, but I have to confess that I sort of like Joe Scarborough.

S_A_M

2 on JS, but my post above was more directed at the Keith Olberman types.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't disagree with that. Some of us, however, still believe that the right to criticize the Administration is part of "being an American."

Even during wartime, perhaps particularly during wartime when the consequences of the Administration's staggering incompetence are so high.

Agree. Pity this never occurred to them when Clinton was helping so much in the Balkans.

Sidd, this isn't some high-brow debate about what a theoretical press should do. It's about the American pro-Democrat press, which consistently shields and boosts Democrats and excoriates Republicans.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have just PayPal'ed you $15 so you can upgrade from your usual to $25+ wine when you visit ty. If you are going to try to teach him why he should upgrade, use good tools.

You realise Canadian dollars are discounted in my country?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Agree. Pity this never occurred to them when Clinton was helping so much in the Balkans.

And the Republicans who criticized then -- traitors?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You realise Canadian dollars are discounted in my country?

I asked then to send French dollars. This is for San Francisco, correcT?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Spanky
As Ty said this is quite a strong statement. I am not trying to ask an "LSAT" question, but could you elabortate a little bit, and tell me what you think Bush was supposed to do about this (in your prior post you implied Bush should have done more about this)?

He's struck me as too much of a polite gentleman in the face of dishonorable attacks. State leaks like a sieve, its Dem holdovers undercut his policy decisions, and he seems to sit back, click his tongue, and say "kids will be kids", and nothing changes. Newsies publish all sorts of classified info, because it's Bush's secret, not because it's truly bad info, and we've seen . . how many prosecution attempts? CIA gives Kerry a constant blowjob for months leading up to the last prez election, and . . . how many heads rolled? Hell, it's gotten so blatant that the NYT alderman can call Bush's "they really shouldn't do that too much more" criticism "vicious." Well, given the range of Bush's reactions in the past, yeah, it was relatively vicious.

It's only been recently that he's actually seemed to show that he sort of disapproves of the leaks. And, when I see an actual prosecution, I'll go back to thinking differently. But, to me, he's just been a gadwawful wuss about this.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
So, hypothetically, if I were elected to Congress, and I thought that the Administration should be negotiating one on one with North Korea and said so, or otherwise criticized the President's "NorKor" policy, I would be engaging in treason?

Good lord. You too? Read what Ty asked me - what I answered.

Kerry, taking a completely contradictory position regarding NorKor to the one he takes concerning the ME, simply works to undercut Bush's efforts in NorKor, because he wants votes. In doing so, he has given very valuable support and ammunition to Kim. who, being Kim, thrives on such idiocy.

Ty didn't ask me a question about treason.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I have just PayPal'ed you $15 so you can upgrade from your usual to $25+ wine when you visit ty. If you are going to try to teach him why he should upgrade, use good tools.

There's really no utility in spending $40 instead of $25 on wine, unless you actually do eat the label and savor the letters thereon.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by bilmore
There's really no utility in spending $40 instead of $25 on wine, unless you actually do eat the label and savor the letters thereon.

How are you defining "utility"?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Ty didn't ask me a question about treason.

I apologize. Bilmore used the word "traitorous," not "treasonous." Obviously, the two words are completely different. I regret my mistake.