Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Spanky]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Devil's advocate here. You're a markets guy.

Why shouldn't this research be purely funded by the markets? Its not as if the Fed has banned the research - only government funding.

I'm rather surprised you of all people think this should be on the governments (ie. all taxpayers') dime

Now you are grasping at straws. The issue is not funding here. The funding has already been allocated. The question is what the funding can be used on. If you are going to provide the funding, why tie the hands of the people receiving the funds. In this situation the taxpayer is being totally screwed because the government is not allowing the best utility of the funds.

Its like paying for soldiers to have guns but not letting them have bullets.

As for government paying for medical research, I have no problem with government funding for research to combat disease. We spend six hundred billion dollars year to protect our citizens from other humans, yet it is other species that kill the most Americans. Cancer is a much bigger national security issue than terrorism. The terrorists would have to kill a lot of Americans before they can get to a body count similar to the level of Cancer or other diseases.

Disease prevention and cures should be one of the government's top priorities. If we are going to allow torture of human being to save lives, why not allow the study of microscopic single cells that will never be alive, has no feeling and certainly can't feel pain.

When we have decided that cells have a right to live, then we need to start arresting people every time they bite their fingernails. If we are going to protect every potential life, every time you beat off into something other than a Petri dish you should be arrested. The ban on the use of stem cells for research was one of the dumbest decisions made by any administration since the founding of the Republic.


Any attempt by anyone with an IQ over six to defend the administration's decision on stem cells is blind partisan stupidity.

Since everyone on this board has an IQ above six, we should all agree that the administration made an incredibly stupid decision on stem cells and then move on to a topic that is controversial. This topic should only be controversial if one or more morons is participating in the conversation.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I don't generally hear that much of a stink from the religious right about couples going to fertility clinics after trying to do their best to conceive a baby. I figured there'd be picketing outside fertility clinics soon after this issue started hitting the mainstream news. Human embryos get destroyed all the time. On purpose.

The argument against human embryonic stem cell research, as far as I understand it, is the destruction of human embryos. If it were slave's slippery slope/we're messing with stuff we don't understand argument, I'd give it a lot more credence.

I know. And I don't have any argument against it.

GGG said he had problems with portions or it, but not harvesting embryos that would otherwise die. I don't get how he could have problems with parts, but not that part. I wasn't arguing. I'm a lapsed Catholic, just trying to do some Continuing Catholic Education.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
Been doing it for years. There is absolutely no reason that the ones that are being discarded shouldn't be used for research.

this is true for aborted fetuses too.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
Disease prevention and cures should be one of the government's top priorities. If we are going to allow torture of human being to save lives, why not allow the study of microscopic single cells

Ty wants you to prove that torture has a high chance of providing a benefit before you can do it.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
how do you not have a religious problem with creating embryos that everyone knows will die?

So, you think that fertility clinics should be shut down?

Serious question.

eta: Note to self: scroll, *then* post, Not Bob.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The Fox ad is for a candidate, not an issue.

As I understood it, he decided to do the ad based upon the candidates' positions on a proposed constitutional amendment that Missouri voters will consider. The D favors it, the R opposes it.

Link to ballot question: http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006...ppStemCell.asp

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
So, you think that fertility clinics should be shut down?

Serious question.

expanded.

as a Republican I feel we should stop all sexual intercourse. I am somewhat bothered that masturbation may be required for the fertilization- but maybe we can keep that done like they do with gathering semen from horses- i.e. electro-stimulation, and limit it to prisoners.

one good thing is that once we limit all reproduction to the lab, we can sterilize the non-preferred breeders, and really get to a much better overall population by breeding with only preferred physical/mental charecteristics- of course we will want to keep the Bush bloodline going also- and maybe the Kennedys to get the necessary votes to pass the enabling legislation.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
As I understood it, he decided to do the ad based upon the candidates' positions on a proposed constitutional amendment that Missouri voters will consider. The D favors it, the R opposes it.

Link to ballot question: http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006...ppStemCell.asp

yes. that is why it is fucked up. like a 9/11 child saying Kerry is weak on terror. Fox wants to do an ad on the amendment, fine.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
Any attempt by anyone with an IQ over six to defend the administration's decision on stem cells is blind partisan stupidity.

Since everyone on this board has an IQ above six, we should all agree that the administration made an incredibly stupid decision on stem cells and then move on to a topic that is controversial. This topic should only be controversial if one or more morons is participating in the conversation.

I'm confused. The old IQ categories put a moron's IQ at 50-75, above that of an imbecile or an idiot. Are you saying Hank's north of 6 but south of 50? Or do we have at least one moron arguing the issue?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I know. And I don't have any argument against it.

GGG said he had problems with portions or it, but not harvesting embryos that would otherwise die. I don't get how he could have problems with parts, but not that part. I wasn't arguing. I'm a lapsed Catholic, just trying to do some Continuing Catholic Education.

Go back and read - a bit more slowly this time.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
yes. that is why it is fucked up. like a 9/11 child saying Kerry is weak on terror. Fox wants to do an ad on the amendment, fine.

I don't follow. Because Fox can't be cured by stem cell research? Or because it has nothing to do with the senate race?

Assuming the latter, how about if there was a proposed amendment to eliminate the death penalty in Missouri, and the D said that she favored it? Would it be ok for the R to run an ad about that, even though senators don't have anything to do with executions?

Or, getting out of hypotheticals, was the Willy Horton ad (to use the term of art) "fucked up"?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I don't follow. Because Fox can't be cured by stem cell research? Or because it has nothing to do with the senate race?

Assuming the latter, how about if there was a proposed amendment to eliminate the death penalty in Missouri, and the D said that she favored it? Would it be ok for the R to run an ad about that, even though senators don't have anything to do with executions?

Or, getting out of hypotheticals, was the Willy Horton ad (to use the term of art) "fucked up"?

I just find it amazing that folks like Bilmore are criticizing Michael J. Fox but saying nothing about the display put on by Limbaugh, who sat there making fun of Fox's Parkinsons disease, imitating him. Or criticizing ads like the ad Corker's supporters have been running in Tennessee.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I'm confused. The old IQ categories put a moron's IQ at 50-75, above that of an imbecile or an idiot. Are you saying Hank's north of 6 but south of 50? Or do we have at least one moron arguing the issue?

dim fuck. I ain't arguing any issue, but i don't have high powered clients investing something or other somehow, like you do, so I'm trying to learn from you.

Are your client's big investments off-shore or here? it sounds like there is plenty of money, at least in the strata of people who would choose you as their lawyer.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I don't follow. Because Fox can't be cured by stem cell research? Or because it has nothing to do with the senate race?

Becuase he implies that the Republican is keeping HIM from being cured, and if only the good people vote in the Dem, we can have Mike back strong as ever.

Assuming the latter, how about if there was a proposed amendment to eliminate the death penalty in Missouri, and the D said that she favored it? Would it be ok for the R to run an ad about that, even though senators don't have anything to do with executions?

Or, getting out of hypotheticals, was the Willy Horton ad (to use the term of art) "fucked up"?

yes. Willie Horton was an unfair ad- not the least because it sullied a name that should a name that should remain unsullied.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Go back and read - a bit more slowly this time.

no thanks. I'll just add it to the list of shit you've said this is inconsistant with shit you said a second earlier. I was giving you a chance not to be ran off again- chances don't come along that often.

or to make it timely- you're a sock that will kill yourself sooner or later anyway, I might as well research various ways of fucking with you as you go about your death struggles.