Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Becuase he implies that the Republican is keeping HIM from being cured, and if only the good people vote in the Dem, we can have Mike back strong as ever.

Hank: Here's the transcript of the ad, which I saw in full last night. What in it suggests Fox sees a cure in it for himself? You are free to infer that from what he says, but I don't think that's accurate. To the contrary, he's pretty clearly saying let's work to find a cure. Does it personalize it? Yes, by putting a face on a devastating disease. But how is that different from any other advocacy piece--hungry, distended children in Ethiopia, cleft-lip kids in south america, hurricane-ravaged New Orleanians wandering the streets.

• Michael J. Fox: Stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans with diseases like diabetes, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
  
  But George Bush and Michael Steele would put limits on the most promising stem cell research.
  
  Fortunately, Marylanders have a chance to vote for Ben Cardin.
  
  Cardin fully supports life-saving stem cell research. It's why I support Ben Cardin.
  
  And with so much at stake, I respectfully ask you to do the same.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Well, as someone who hasn't seen the ad either, my perspective on the issue is colored more by folks (I think Laura Bush was one, back in the day) who chastised people for giving "false hope" as buttressing their argument that you shouldn't support stem cell research in the first place.

If people present support for stem cell research as providing a cure tomorrow, shame on them, but that's hardly a reason to reject doing the research.

I saw one of the Ads on C-Span. It was just Mr. Fox stating that one of the guys in the race was against federal funding for stem cell research and there is a hope that stem cell research could find cures to diseases like he has.

He is very calm and rational through the whole thing. As far as I am concerned he doesn't say anything that is even slightly misleading. We Republicans have opened ourselves up to this B.S., and we shouldn't be surprized when the Dems stick it to us on this issue.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Hank: Here's the transcript of the ad, which I saw in full last night. What in it suggests Fox sees a cure in it for himself? You are free to infer that from what he says, but I don't think that's accurate. To the contrary, he's pretty clearly saying let's work to find a cure. Does it personalize it? Yes, by putting a face on a devastating disease. But how is that different from any other advocacy piece--hungry, distended children in Ethiopia, cleft-lip kids in south america, hurricane-ravaged New Orleanians wandering the streets.

Be fair. Hank's still vulnerable from seeing those Suzanne Somers commercials back in the day, and the emotional power of personal testimonials is something of a sensitive issue. It gets ya right there, ya know?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
What are your views on the Limbaugh response? I'm really not sure why you chose to get upset about a Michael J. Fox ad you hadn't seen rather than the Limbaugh tirade.

The "Limbaugh response"? That's the gripping that's supposed to follow the scrape against the newborn's sole, right? (Sorry, haven't seen that either.

And, I guess maybe I wasn't clear - the MJF ad upsets me not at all. I'm so non-involved in the stem-cell debate it's not funny. My critique was simply that one of the argument lines that I've seen put forth in support of it strikes me as fairly dishonest, in that the implication has been one of "we could do all of this today, except for these ignorant savages stopping us." It's nowhere near that point.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Psst. Read again. When you demonstrate a basic understanding of what I've posted, I'll be happy to help you get to the next level. Since you're a patent lawyer, I assume you have some passing familiarity with Bayh- Dole. Maybe you even understand a little about NIH funding and where it goes.

so your work is all here? great. tons of money available. your bitch is?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Hank: Here's the transcript of the ad, which I saw in full last night. What in it suggests Fox sees a cure in it for himself? You are free to infer that from what he says, but I don't think that's accurate. To the contrary, he's pretty clearly saying let's work to find a cure. Does it personalize it? Yes, by putting a face on a devastating disease. But how is that different from any other advocacy piece--hungry, distended children in Ethiopia, cleft-lip kids in south america, hurricane-ravaged New Orleanians wandering the streets.

• Michael J. Fox: Stem cell research offers hope to millions of Americans with diseases like diabetes, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
  
  But George Bush and Michael Steele would put limits on the most promising stem cell research.
  
  Fortunately, Marylanders have a chance to vote for Ben Cardin.
  
  Cardin fully supports life-saving stem cell research. It's why I support Ben Cardin.
  
  And with so much at stake, I respectfully ask you to do the same.

the ad I linked to yesterday is different.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
I saw one of the Ads on C-Span. It was just Mr. Fox stating that one of the guys in the race was against federal funding for stem cell research and there is a hope that stem cell research could find cures to diseases like he has.

He is very calm and rational through the whole thing. As far as I am concerned he doesn't say anything that is even slightly misleading. We Republicans have opened ourselves up to this B.S., and we shouldn't be surprized when the Dems stick it to us on this issue.

The Administration could use your level of self-awareness on this issue.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Well, as someone who hasn't seen the ad either, my perspective on the issue is colored more by folks (I think Laura Bush was one, back in the day) who chastised people for giving "false hope" as buttressing their argument that you shouldn't support stem cell research in the first place.

If people present support for stem cell research as providing a cure tomorrow, shame on them, but that's hardly a reason to reject doing the research.

agree with most of this except the "hasn't seen" part.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
I saw one of the Ads on C-Span. It was just Mr. Fox stating that one of the guys in the race was against federal funding for stem cell research and there is a hope that stem cell research could find cures to diseases like he has.

He is very calm and rational through the whole thing. As far as I am concerned he doesn't say anything that is even slightly misleading. We Republicans have opened ourselves up to this B.S., and we shouldn't be surprized when the Dems stick it to us on this issue.

actually, depending on the state and its percentage of holy rollers and anti-hollywood types, the ad may help Republicans.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
actually, depending on the state and its percentage of holy rollers and anti-hollywood types, the ad may help Republicans.

Except for the ones who may later benefit from stem-cell research.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Except for the ones who may later benefit from stem-cell research.

no. it's like their teen-aged daughters abortions- they can afford to travel out of the country for the treatment.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
The "Limbaugh response"? That's the gripping that's supposed to follow the scrape against the newborn's sole, right? (Sorry, haven't seen that either.

And, I guess maybe I wasn't clear - the MJF ad upsets me not at all. I'm so non-involved in the stem-cell debate it's not funny. My critique was simply that one of the argument lines that I've seen put forth in support of it strikes me as fairly dishonest, in that the implication has been one of "we could do all of this today, except for these ignorant savages stopping us." It's nowhere near that point.

So you subscribe to Laura Bush's comment a few months back that, because the technology is in its infancy, it's really dishonest to say that trying to use stem cells would do anything for people?

That's an interesting position. I kind of like it. Great response to anyone suggesting you ever get off your couch, go to school, get a job or really do just about anything in this world unless you first see how it will turn out in a crystal ball.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
So you subscribe to Laura Bush's comment a few months back that, because the technology is in its infancy, it's really dishonest to say that trying to use stem cells would do anything for people?

So you read English a lot?

(Back for two days, and already I'm fuckin' done with people who want to make argument through knowing mischaracterization of someone's comments.)

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
I saw one of the Ads on C-Span. It was just Mr. Fox stating that one of the guys in the race was against federal funding for stem cell research and there is a hope that stem cell research could find cures to diseases like he has.

He is very calm and rational through the whole thing. As far as I am concerned he doesn't say anything that is even slightly misleading. We Republicans have opened ourselves up to this B.S., and we shouldn't be surprized when the Dems stick it to us on this issue.

I've seen Fox interviewed a few times over the years and he;s always come off as a very down to Earth person... Not even approaching the sort who'd gin sympathy by playing up his symptoms. The ad is as credible as you portray it. Limbaugh lost me years ago when he decided to stick by his "jail the druggies" stance despite his own craven junkiedom. I don't demand people do as they say, particularly the moral defectives who run for office or spit invective on talk radio. But Rush picked the wrong celeb to badmouth.

All this said, the whole stem cell isssue is such a red herring. The private sector is filling the void with its own research, and as anything goes, what the govt would do badly over a decade, the private sector can get right in a couple of years. As someone who has a horse in this race, I can't say I'm bothered by the govt staying out of it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
So you read English a lot?

(Back for two days, and already I'm fuckin' done with people who want to make argument through knowing mischaracterization of someone's comments.)

Remember when I asked people for the basis to their statements regarding Evolution being completely proven, and anyone who questions it being simply someone who relies solely on faith? I asked if their beliefs weren't largely based upon faith.

Then I became the guy who believes in the Garden of Eden and couldn't accept natural selection.

They are not a group that distinguishes nuance very well, I must say.