Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Probably preaching to the choir here, but I really don't get why other people (and especially the media) are so quick to accept the notion that conservatives' religion somehow compels them to tell other people how to act. Maybe they should read Matthew, Chapter 7.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

when you have picked jobs has salary been a factor?

"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 18:25

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opi...n_kenya_attack

Why? I understand why we get blown up. I understand why cartoonists get murdered. I do not get why it advances radical Islam to kill people in a college in Kenya.

Kenya has deployed troops against them in Somalia. They're losing, but slowly, and unable to fight the troops, so they terrorize a place that has a lot of Christian civilians.

They had students call their families to tell them they were about to die because of Uhuru Kenyatta, the president, and then they shot them. Awful, awful, awful.

The real question is who gets to deal with the mess known as Somalia. Today, it's mostly been left for Somalia's neighbors like Kenya and Ethiopia.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Probably preaching to the choir here, but I really don't get why other people (and especially the media) are so quick to accept the notion that conservatives' religion somehow compels them to tell other people how to act. Maybe they should read Matthew, Chapter 7.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The Disciples of Christ was one of the first groups to yank a convention from Indiana. Those are Christians. To the conservative squawk-box, though, those of us who find the bigotry unchristian aren't true Christians. As a devout Catholic, I have a lot more in common with some of the non-fundies of other faiths I know than the Assholes for Christ faction that Indiana's RFSA represents.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Pro tip: Old Testament came first.

Showing, once again, how few shits I give about what the Bible says.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Showing, once again, how few shits I give about what the Bible says.

You and Mike Pence both.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

when you have picked jobs has salary been a factor?

"For it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Luke 18:25

I hope this helps you feel better about that Cadillac tax.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

You and Mike Pence both.

Good. It's important to find common ground with everyone, if at all possible. Slave and I both like scotch, steaks, Vegas, and naked women, typically all at the same time. Hank and I both like Hank's wife. Kumbayah.



Query: Would it be possible to find a Muslim restaurant or café owner in a state with a RFRA like the one Indiana passed, who would announce that he would no longer provide service to unveiled women or a woman seated with a man not her husband? That would be interesting.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Good. It's important to find common ground with everyone, if at all possible. Slave and I both like scotch, steaks, Vegas, and naked women, typically all at the same time. Hank and I both like Hank's wife. Kumbayah.



Query: Would it be possible to find a Muslim restaurant or café owner in a state with a RFRA like the one Indiana passed, who would announce that he would no longer provide service to unveiled women or a woman seated with a man not her husband? That would be interesting.

I think most Muslim-Americans are so busy proving they're nothing like the stereotypes that this isn't going to happen, but maybe there's a no-go zone somewhere in Detroit or Minnesota where Hank or Adder could find someone. If they go there.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Query: Would it be possible to find a Muslim restaurant or café owner in a state with a RFRA like the one Indiana passed, who would announce that he would no longer provide service to unveiled women or a woman seated with a man not her husband? That would be interesting.

This is going to sound more abrasive than I mean it -- sorry -- but I don't think that would be all that interesting. Muslim restauranteurs in this country must be very clear that they are in the distinct minority. I bet there are places with essentially that policy, but there's no reason for them to make an announcement because non-Muslims aren't going there anyway. The Christians who are pushing these new versions of RFRA have always enjoyed the sense that they are the majority and have a relative status -- privilege, but they wouldn't call it that -- that is now being taken away. It's not the abstract principle that is important to anyone here -- it's what's happening to different people's social status.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

This is going to sound more abrasive than I mean it -- sorry -- but I don't think that would be all that interesting. Muslim restauranteurs in this country must be very clear that they are in the distinct minority. I bet there are places with essentially that policy, but there's no reason for them to make an announcement because non-Muslims aren't going there anyway. The Christians who are pushing these new versions of RFRA have always enjoyed the sense that they are the majority and have a relative status -- privilege, but they wouldn't call it that -- that is now being taken away. It's not the abstract principle that is important to anyone here -- it's what's happening to different people's social status.

So you think there are no-go zones?

I just had lunch now at a place where there are a lot of veiled women, and usually even a table of women in hijabs. The proprietors go out of their way to welcome non-Middle Eastern people. I think that is true of a lot of groups who are trying to make their way as relatively recent immigrants. Next time you're in New York during Ramadan, head for the Yemen Cafe, as hard-core a middle eastern place as they come, sometime after the fast breaks, and see how the welcome is.

As opposed to places I've been in Southern Indiana where they've looked at me real strange just for darkening their door.

Of course, it is a lot easier to understand why I wandered into my Lebanese place for their batata harra than why I went into a South Indiana diner for white bread with processed turkey and canned gravy on it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Query: Would it be possible to find a Muslim restaurant or café owner in a state with a RFRA like the one Indiana passed, who would announce that he would no longer provide service to unveiled women or a woman seated with a man not her husband? That would be interesting.

I used to live on the Orange line of the DC metro in a very Asian neighborhood in Arlington. There was a korean restaurant that was open 24 hours. we went there alot during normal hours. One night I woke up hungry at 3 AM and went there. It was 100% Korean customers. I sat at a table and was ignored for a while. eventually I left. The crowd cheered as I walked. In short, I'm sure what your asking about happens de facto. It probably happens in glatt kosher restaurants too (think of the knucleheads who won't sit next to a strange woman on an airplane)- but would a restaurant announce the policy? Ty may be right, but on the otherhand it may be a way to advertise how very specially they follow Koran/torah.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you think there are no-go zones?

Probably very few, because it's hard enough to make money running a restaurant even without announcing that you don't want to serve the vast majority of the dining public.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I used to live on the Orange line of the DC metro in a very Asian neighborhood in Arlington. There was a korean restaurant that was open 24 hours. we went there alot during normal hours. One night I woke up hungry at 3 AM and went there. It was 100% Korean customers. I sat at a table and was ignored for a while. eventually I left. The crowd cheered as I walked. In short, I'm sure what your asking about happens de facto. It probably happens in glatt kosher restaurants too (think of the knucleheads who won't sit next to a strange woman on an airplane)- but would a restaurant announce the policy? Ty may be right, but on the otherhand it may be a way to advertise how very specially they follow Koran/torah.

Funniest incident like this I experience was a kosher deli in the catskills where we were welcomed and treated very hospitably - until they learned my sister was Reconstructionist.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you think there are no-go zones?

Places non-Muslims can't go? No. Places non-Muslims generally don't go? Probably.

There are a few storefronts - coffee shop, phone shop, not sure what else - on Cedar Avenue that are probably primarily patronized by the local Somali community, but even they probably get the occasional stop in from a hipster that's in the area for one or more of the local dive bars.

I'm not so sure that Karmel Square gets any non-Somali customers, but maybe I'll have to drop in some time to check it out.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

This is going to sound more abrasive than I mean it -- sorry -- but I don't think that would be all that interesting. Muslim restauranteurs in this country must be very clear that they are in the distinct minority. I bet there are places with essentially that policy, but there's no reason for them to make an announcement because non-Muslims aren't going there anyway. The Christians who are pushing these new versions of RFRA have always enjoyed the sense that they are the majority and have a relative status -- privilege, but they wouldn't call it that -- that is now being taken away. It's not the abstract principle that is important to anyone here -- it's what's happening to different people's social status.

It doesn't sound abrasive, but I wonder where you live that you never go into an establishment owned by Muslims.